Room Rental
Ok. I am so curious to know this because I am a new Esty and new at renting. I just started a salon renting a room. I pay my rent weekly and I said to start I will work Saturdays all day and on call Tuesday afternoons. The salon owner at this salon feels that if you said you would work that you should be there to answer her phones and wait all day if you have a client or not. Plus, I heard her saying that she expects everyone in the salon the clean and dust the whole salon because we are a team. She also somehow made it so I am required to be there on Tuesdays when I am supposed to be on call! I feel (tell me if I am wrong) that I pay her and should be able to come and go as I please. It is my business and if there is a client that needs an appointment then I will be more then happy to come in. Also, I don't feel I should have to clean a salon that I am barely at! Am I not being reasonable? I feel my room is my responsiblity. Any thoughts? How is renting supposed to work. I feel she is trying to get free labor and my time is precious to me. I do want my business to grow, but I feel like I shoul be able to call my own shots! I want to work for myself not her!
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Permalink Reply by NBSkinCare on
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You are a renter. Period. You are not her employee. if she wants you to stick around and answer phones then she has to pay you hourly.
You are supposed to be your own business. Unless she pays you in a way that takes taxes out of your check, then you are not her employee.
That said, you can choose to be helpful around the spa when you're there and not busy, if you like. But its up to you. Did you sign a contract that states anything about this?
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Permalink Reply by Shelley Hancock on
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This owner is definitely trying to take advantage.....don't let her. I am an owner who has had renters. I never required them to clean (but was grateful when they did!) or answer my phones. You need to stand up for yourself or move along to something better!
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Permalink Reply by laine laliberte on
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You should have the option of being in the salon when you don't have a scheduled client and it is always nice to have the salon looking good at all times. Do you sell retail? Do you want your clients to see the salon as professional? It does take some efforts on all staff weather your a booth renter or an employee. However HOW the owner has asked may not make you feel like you have options, but you know you do. Setting some limits and being clear will allow both of you to explain what your goals are.
She could very well recommend you to several of her clients and since your new probably need to grow your client base, it can grow a lot by being in the salon and meeting the stylists clients. Throwing around ideas and compromise will help you both get what you want.
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Permalink Reply by Juli Rose on
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Well, when I started I told her that I would only be there on Saturdays. I have a full time day job that I wish to keep for insurance purposes and because I need to have a steady income. So when we discussed hours I said I would be free on Saturdays and I will do Tuesdays by appointment. Tuesdays are pretty much for clients that just cannot make it on Saturdays. I was trying to have some flexibility to accommodate. So I came in one Tuesday to do a few things and saw I had no clients and I was going to leave. She said "Usually the girls will stick around for a while." So I ended up sitting there till 8:30! I was upset, but I did it. Then I called her after a few days and said I really only wanted to be on call Tuesdays however, I understand you want people to know I am here. I can probably show up for a little while. I feel I am quilted into it! To be honest I do not want to go there on Tuesdays and sit there. Not only do I work full time I am taking a couple college courses. I am trying to build my cliental at my own pace!
I sell my retail by order at this point and I work very well with my clients. Sometimes I feel she is trying to mold me into what she wants me to be. She does refer her clients to me and a I appreciate it, but I don't want to feel obligated to do anything. Maybe you are right I don't feel I have options. I give her my hard earned money every week and I feel I should be free to do what I need to do. It's just frustrating.
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In booth renting terms
you are free to come & go on your needs, period.
If you made that clear in the beginning remind her politely and do your business
as such you agreed too.
Best of luck in your future
you sound very moviated and I'm sure you will do well!
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Permalink Reply by Susan Lujan on
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Permalink Reply by Jamie Jacob on
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Make a copy of independent contractors description per law off the internet and leave it on her work station. I have just encountered issues where I am renting too. I was given 5 days notice of a rent hike and handed a new lease which stated I couldn't use the biz name or address without her permission. These practices are illegal and these biz owners need to know they aren't dealing with dummies. I will be looking for a new place because my owner said I told you I would give you a deal for 6 months thats your 30 days notice. Not in writing. She feels because her rent is $200 cheaper than the competition she can partake in illegal practices. They are counting on our desperation to get away with what they are doing. Stand up for yourself and others in the industry. By doing so we protect ourselves and our income not to mention our sanity.
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If you are paying rent Jamie you are not an independent contractor! And your landlord is correct, you should not be using her business name for your business. It IS illegal for YOU to use her business name! YOU are a small business owner yourself renting a space to conduct your own business. You need to get a name for your business, get a website set up, get business cards and brochures printed up to promote your business. However if you are renting a room inside her business you obviously have to use the same address on your business cards/brochures. She is a business owner and so are you if you are renting a room from her. She is correct. The contract you sign with her should be a rental agreement not an independent contractors agreement! Your wrong on this one. Sorry. Susan
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I've made up marketing materials with my business name on them however, I put her business name and address on them also so people know where I am. Was this wrong of me? I've also don't an advertisement with her business name as well as mine and did a coupon for her too. I hope I wasn't wrong I wasn't using her name for me I was marketing both pretty much.
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OK, Here it is to the point:
You are not an independent contractor....
You are not an employee....
YOU ARE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER-period!...
You are renting a space from a landload.
She must not dictate how you run YOUR business, work your hours, etc. etc.
You should NOT be doing her cleaning, phones, etc. That is HER business. You have your own space that you pay for and is your responsiblity. She needs to take responisiblity for hers.
She should give you a key and you set your own hours and come and go as you see fit, book your own clients, etc. however you want to run YOUR business. You need your OWN business license, and carry your own insurance. Do your own advertising, Have your own brochures, your own business cards with your business name on them. NOT HERS.
Additonally, SHE DOES NOT BOOK YOUR CLIENTS! You handle your own scheduling. Book your clients yourself. They should be calling you directly. They should not be booking through her. She can refer potential clients to you and give them your phone number. But that is it. She does not meddle into your business and your clients.
REMEMBER YOU ARE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. You own your own business just like she does. She has no business telling you how to run yours on ANYTHING.
She is way out of line. She has no say in how YOU run YOUR business. She rents you a space to conduct your own business. Set her straight and if she still doesn't get it give your 30 day notice and move to another location where the landlord understands this. This is horrible. This is not right. Additionally if you end up paying her more than $600.00 in rent in a year than you need to give her a 1099-M at year end for all the rent you paid her. You report it to the IRS and you get to claim your rent expense on your taxes. I have more to say but do not have the time right now. Gotta go. Wishing you the Best of Luck. I am on your side. Wish I could be there for you to be your advocate. Susan :-)
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Thank you thank you thank you! I thought that was the case, but being new to this I thought this is how it may work. She is very much so taking advantage of everyone! I really need to tell her that I will make my own schedule. She cannot tell me when to come and go. I guess this might not be the place for me. It's a shame. I hope you can finish everything you would like to say because I am very interested! I need guidance.
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Permalink Reply by coldsalineplexus on
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There can be some agreements prior to the space being leased that explain what the landlord is looking for in a renter. This is the situation when a coffee shop rents a space in the lobby of a hotel, or a boutique rents space inside a hospital. The landlords in this situation are looking for more than just a rent check each month - they are selecting a renter who will provide a consistent amenity for their clientele. The contracts in this case should reflect that.
In my business, I had this discussion with my manicurist renters, and stated that I was looking for a business that would be open for business for at least X percent of my business' open hours. Of course they have keys and are welcome to be open for business before or after hours if they choose, but they are expected to fulfill that basic obligation of being open most of the hours when we are. That is the agreement we came to, and the contract we signed, therefore it's fine for me to expect them to be available and open for business for the majority of the shop's open hours.
Previously, when I was a renter in the back of a makeup studio, I did not have any such agreement, and I came and went according to my own schedule. For part of that time, I had a job in a hotel spa as well, so I kept part time hours. When I dropped that job, I chose to keep full time hours that coincided with the makeup store's open hours, even if I was not booked. By doing so, I was able to be available to meet and work on new clients, and my business grew. I also swept, dusted, and wiped down surfaces in the shop willingly because those spaces reflected on my business, plus I knew a lot of the dirt and dust was getting tracked in by my customers.
It is possible that your landlady is setting these expectations in order to help you succeed. Perhaps she has had a revolving door with renters in the past who weren't dedicated enough to build a clientele?
I don't have any advice for how you should proceed, but I can say that there are a number of reasons a salon owner would want to have their renters' business hours harmonized with their own, and they aren't all about taking advantage of renters.
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