How did you choose your skin care line? - skincareprofessionals.com2024-03-29T09:20:10Zhttps://skincareprofessionals.com/forum/topics/how-did-you-choose-your-skin-care-line?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI took my pro magazines and c…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2015-03-11:6332291:Comment:2096562015-03-11T11:33:19.739ZMonica Grajaleshttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/MonicaGrajales
I took my pro magazines and contacted ALL companies advertised. Got catalogs, picking, support, marketing and samples. From the samples I liked, then looked for company support, min requirement, and price point.
I took my pro magazines and contacted ALL companies advertised. Got catalogs, picking, support, marketing and samples. From the samples I liked, then looked for company support, min requirement, and price point. Choosing Skin Care Lines if d…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2015-03-10:6332291:Comment:2095892015-03-10T22:05:55.008ZGabrielle Lablanchttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/GabrielleLablanc
<p>Choosing Skin Care Lines if difficult at best. Namely because most products are manufactured for "ONE SIZE FITS ALL". Which simply means, even the best products won't work for every customer you service. In my opinion, there is but one way to solve this problem and that is to incorporate SkinDNA tests as a Consultation Service. Then recommend, promote and sell products that specifically meet the needs of "each individual customer" for more "personalized skin care treatments and…</p>
<p>Choosing Skin Care Lines if difficult at best. Namely because most products are manufactured for "ONE SIZE FITS ALL". Which simply means, even the best products won't work for every customer you service. In my opinion, there is but one way to solve this problem and that is to incorporate SkinDNA tests as a Consultation Service. Then recommend, promote and sell products that specifically meet the needs of "each individual customer" for more "personalized skin care treatments and regimens"!..How do you do that you ask?</p>
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Always remember thi…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2014-04-15:6332291:Comment:1914122014-04-15T01:11:18.957ZMarty Glennhttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/MartyGlenn
<p>Samantha</p>
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<p>Always remember this is the internet and its only a post. </p>
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<p>"I don't call the cells of the follicular wall "corneocytes" because that's not what they are." That is ok. I do and here is why:</p>
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<p>If you start to get too technical and call each layer of the skin a different name and all that nobody knows what your talking about and nobody can follow. Like the SC is not a layer on its own right but is part of another layer but somehow within…</p>
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<p>Always remember this is the internet and its only a post. </p>
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<p>"I don't call the cells of the follicular wall "corneocytes" because that's not what they are." That is ok. I do and here is why:</p>
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<p>If you start to get too technical and call each layer of the skin a different name and all that nobody knows what your talking about and nobody can follow. Like the SC is not a layer on its own right but is part of another layer but somehow within skin care, and its ok that it is this way, it become its own layer the is not perceived as part of another.</p>
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<p>I call the cells within the 'follicular' wall Corneocytes because its easy for people to follow. They get it. Not saying they don't get it with you just for me it makes sense.</p>
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<p>You'll get a lot of 'What?' with this one Samantha: "Which is what I determined my client to have." And the reason you will is because all that has to be asked is this: Can you see it? Did you see it?</p>
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<p>It was easier to google this so I wanted to just post this since I made a reference to it and wanted to explain:</p>
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<p><em><em>The transformation of the keratinocyte includes the loss of the cell nucleus and cytoplasm, formation of a tough outer structure called the cell envelope, aggregation of keratins and expellation of lipids into extracellular spaces. The resultant corneocyte is comprised of about 80% keratin by dry weight</em></em></p>
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<p><em><em>OK. So here is why they are not 'Synonymous' and I made the point but did not really in a few posts back. I left a lot out so I will explain better why I said what I did here:</em></em></p>
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<p>If the Epidermis is too shallow or the dermis is too thick, the result will be a keratinocyte that spends too much time down low or go too fast to the surface. This results in Keratinocytes that are NOT corneocytes and there for you have psoriasis and eczema and a whole host of other skin related diseases. The 'Corenocyte' means that all the lipids and proteins have left and the Keratinocyte is now functionally dead and is now brittle and hard. The end result is properly performing skin. If the path is not the correct time and place as it moves its way to the top of the skin it will cause serious problems. Now I am being VERY simple here as well so you have to sorta read between the lines and know that I will not use high level medical terms or language.</p>
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<p>Does this make sense? Did I miss a point? :)</p>
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<p>Marty</p>
<p>SkinCareScience.com</p> What I understand is that Mar…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2014-04-14:6332291:Comment:1914062014-04-14T20:51:08.260ZSamantha Malinehttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/SamanthaMaline
What I understand is that Marty disagrees with my treatment, my method, and my terminology. I don't call the cells of the follicular wall "corneocytes" because that's not what they are.<br></br>
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Picture 1: These are the corneocytes.<br></br>
Picture 3: These are the follicular keratinocytes, hyperkeratosis, retention hyperkeratosis....<br></br>
Picture 2: This is what I use to educate my clients.<br></br>
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correction on the picture numbers due to the uploading out of order...<br />
RHK is a MAIN FACTOR in…
What I understand is that Marty disagrees with my treatment, my method, and my terminology. I don't call the cells of the follicular wall "corneocytes" because that's not what they are.<br/>
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Picture 1: These are the corneocytes.<br/>
Picture 3: These are the follicular keratinocytes, hyperkeratosis, retention hyperkeratosis....<br/>
Picture 2: This is what I use to educate my clients.<br/>
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correction on the picture numbers due to the uploading out of order...<br />
RHK is a MAIN FACTOR in the development of acne. In fact, hormonal changes (such as the stress you're referring to) can trigger RHK. But I disagree with Marty that hyperkeratosis is "not always" and "most of the time" a cause of acne (which I'm understanding as meaning "hyperkeratosis" does not accompany acne most of the time, please correct me if I am wrong). All of the four (five if you want to include hormones) causes of acne come in degrees, giving you variable types of acne that respond to different treatments uniquely. "Corneocytes" can contribute to plugs but they're not the main cause such as RHK can be. Debris from the surface "ie Corneocytes" can get mashed into the pores/follicles by touching (contact dermatitis) but when it's the cells lining the follicle walls that are not desquamating properly, that's follicular hyperkeratosis. Which is what I determined my client to have. And that by the way...is indisputable by anyone on this board...because I'm the one treating her skin.<br/>
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But while this is irrelevant to our discussion I'm going to add it in anyway. Corneocytes ARE keratinized cells. So the terms are synonymous. Making the differentiation pointless unless you specifically want to explain corneocytes. Monica
Yes, you read between…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2014-04-14:6332291:Comment:1911262014-04-14T20:33:28.154ZMarty Glennhttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/MartyGlenn
<p>Monica</p>
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<p>Yes, you read between the lines well, again its only the internet and these are just posts, but I will give Samantha this:</p>
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<p>Any Newbie here will appreciate the links she gave (me too) but want to know what the funniest part of this is??</p>
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<p>I have NEVER and I mean NEVER had a nice conversation about acne. What I mean is it is so heated and emotional that every class I speak with or every estie I talk with and accutane or its cause or cure or…</p>
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<p>Yes, you read between the lines well, again its only the internet and these are just posts, but I will give Samantha this:</p>
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<p>Any Newbie here will appreciate the links she gave (me too) but want to know what the funniest part of this is??</p>
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<p>I have NEVER and I mean NEVER had a nice conversation about acne. What I mean is it is so heated and emotional that every class I speak with or every estie I talk with and accutane or its cause or cure or management. It is ALWAYS a big deal.</p>
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<p>Marty</p>
<p>SkinCareScience.com</p> I am loving it and learning f…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2014-04-14:6332291:Comment:1913052014-04-14T20:24:36.577ZTina ungerhttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/Tinaunger
I am loving it and learning from each one<br />
Thanks
I am loving it and learning from each one<br />
Thanks Samantha,
Very good details.…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2014-04-14:6332291:Comment:1912382014-04-14T20:04:40.028ZMarty Glennhttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/MartyGlenn
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<p>Very good details. Thank you for posting. I am sure others will appreciate these links as I do.</p>
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<p>Very good details. Thank you for posting. I am sure others will appreciate these links as I do.</p>
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<p>Marty</p>
<p>SKinCareScience.com</p> While "true" acne is retentio…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2014-04-14:6332291:Comment:1912372014-04-14T19:58:21.504ZMonica Grajaleshttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/MonicaGrajales
<p>While "true" acne is retention hyperkeratosis, there are other causes of acne, and I think this is what Marty is referring to. For example, stress. The pattern that acne caused by stress demonstrates is not the same as RHK. When stress is high, cortisol levels rise, which also increase other hormones and triggers cysts. I have successfully treated stress-related acne with absolutely no acne products at all. I became a Stress Management Coach because I kept seeing the same issues with no…</p>
<p>While "true" acne is retention hyperkeratosis, there are other causes of acne, and I think this is what Marty is referring to. For example, stress. The pattern that acne caused by stress demonstrates is not the same as RHK. When stress is high, cortisol levels rise, which also increase other hormones and triggers cysts. I have successfully treated stress-related acne with absolutely no acne products at all. I became a Stress Management Coach because I kept seeing the same issues with no results from using acne products until the person dealt with their stress. Once stress is managed, "acne" is gone for good.</p>
<p>What about smokers? There is no way anyone can help those who develop acne due to smoking. Again, this type of acne follows a very specific pattern, which I have seen over and over during my 23 years as an aesthetician. It never fails. And if they don't smoke (as per client's history profile), I ask them when did they stop smoking. I always get an answer to my question. if they have stopped smoking, we can work with that, along with support to continue this path.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think Marty has been very nice in his comments, and polite, but something is getting lost in translation.</p> "hyperkeratosis and that is a…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2014-04-14:6332291:Comment:1914052014-04-14T19:38:34.771ZSamantha Malinehttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/SamanthaMaline
"hyperkeratosis and that is a skin condition created by potentially serious but normally just a few things not in alignment with a person's skin and body. Acne creation is not always accompanied by that condition and I would say most of the time."<br />
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"Retention hyperkeratosis causes skin cells to accumulate inside follicles instead of desquamating as normal skin does. This cell buildup mixes with excessive sebum produced by the sebaceous glands."…
"hyperkeratosis and that is a skin condition created by potentially serious but normally just a few things not in alignment with a person's skin and body. Acne creation is not always accompanied by that condition and I would say most of the time."<br />
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"Retention hyperkeratosis causes skin cells to accumulate inside follicles instead of desquamating as normal skin does. This cell buildup mixes with excessive sebum produced by the sebaceous glands." <a href="http://www.skininc.com/treatments/facial/8-Acne-Blunders-Common-Mistakes-to-Avoid-When-Working-With-Acne-242985771.html?mobi=y" target="_blank">http://www.skininc.com/treatments/facial/8-Acne-Blunders-Common-Mistakes-to-Avoid-When-Working-With-Acne-242985771.html?mobi=y</a><br />
"Acne is actually caused by the inherited propensity of retention hyperkeratosis—dead skin cells that stick together at an accelerated rate along with other debris." -<a href="http://www.skininc.com/treatments/facial/Case-Studies-In-Hormonal-Acne-Management-253395411.html?mobi=y" target="_blank">http://www.skininc.com/treatments/facial/Case-Studies-In-Hormonal-Acne-Management-253395411.html?mobi=y</a><br />
"When the sebaceous glands are stimulated, a process known as retention hyperkeratosis occurs." - <a href="http://www.skininc.com/skinscience/physiology/38718062.html?mobi=y" target="_blank">http://www.skininc.com/skinscience/physiology/38718062.html?mobi=y</a><br />
"Five main factors play a pivotal role in the pathogenesis of acne: androgen dependence, follicular retention hyperkeratosis, increased sebaceous lipogenesis, increased colonization with P. acnes, and inflammatory events." - <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20151947/" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20151947/</a><br />
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<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=HJ3fv9rp0zQC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=retention+hyperkeratosis&source=bl&ots=5O9RI2V1Fn&sig=1XPjnUZtMMc9U6YcwUODUa1nyUo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4jdMU6CEM-nOyQGC74CwDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwBDgU" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=HJ3fv9rp0zQC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=retention+hyperkeratosis&source=bl&ots=5O9RI2V1Fn&sig=1XPjnUZtMMc9U6YcwUODUa1nyUo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4jdMU6CEM-nOyQGC74CwDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwBDgU</a><br />
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<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=PP8uHih26JwC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=retention+hyperkeratosis&source=bl&ots=3X8kEMvDHL&sig=7Fpx3j502HvEU8xyDDL3JVZkEwI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5ThMU_-nH6SbygG_h4CoBQ&ved=0CCIQ6AEwADge" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=PP8uHih26JwC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=retention+hyperkeratosis&source=bl&ots=3X8kEMvDHL&sig=7Fpx3j502HvEU8xyDDL3JVZkEwI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5ThMU_-nH6SbygG_h4CoBQ&ved=0CCIQ6AEwADge</a> Hi Marty
I sent you an email…tag:skincareprofessionals.com,2014-04-14:6332291:Comment:1912342014-04-14T18:27:46.600ZMonica Grajaleshttps://skincareprofessionals.com/profile/MonicaGrajales
<p>Hi Marty</p>
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<p>I sent you an email with some questions. Let me know if you received it.</p>
<p><br/>Thanks</p>
<p>Monica</p>
<p>Hi Marty</p>
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<p>I sent you an email with some questions. Let me know if you received it.</p>
<p><br/>Thanks</p>
<p>Monica</p>