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Love the lemon zest and the cranberry enzyme ! Your products are really nice....in fact I'm due to place an order.....

Hi Gina - regarding your question about the ph of the glycolic and your ability to use something with a low ph.  I reviewed the Ohio Board of Cosmetology Website and you are not allowed to use a glycolic with percentage over 30% and with a ph lower than 3.0.  So, my glycolic peel would be off limits.  Here's the link to the Ohio laws:  http://www.cos.ohio.gov/uploads/File/emda.pdf

 

Bummer!

Mary - so glad you love the products!  I hope your clients love them too and they keep coming back over and over.

That IS a MAJOR bummer!!!!! :-(( OH stinks sometimes.... :-((

OK- so based on that, what would you recommend to get good results in place of the glycolic?

 

Gina:  Your laws are very limiting.  I would lean toward the Coconut/Papaya Enzyme and the Kiwi enzyme - they both have a ph over 3.0.

are you interpreting the laws as I cannot use ANYTHING under a pH of 3?

That's a good question - I would call your Board of Cosmetology and ask if the 3.0 ph applies to enzymes.

The definitive word on peels from stinky ol' Ohio:



Ohio State Board of Cosmetology The pH value can not be lower than 3.0. A peel with a lower concentration percentage can not have a lower pH.
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Hi Gina:  Use the Coconut/Papaya or the Kiwi enzyme.  Are you allowed to blend exfoliation methods?  Here's what I would do to get fabulous results:  Apply the coconut or kiwi enzyme (with or without steam) for 7-10 minutes.  During the last 1 minute the enzyme is on the skin, use a Derma File and gently polish (no pressure applied), using the enzyme for slip for the file.  The enzyme softens the stratum corneum and the derma file gently polishes off all the dead skin.  It's an amazing treatment that I have just started playing with; it leaves the skin amazingly soft.  Shelley Hancock sells these files (http://www.shelleyhancock.com/dermafileexfoliator.html)

Lisa, are those your only 2 enzymes with a pH of 3.0 or higher? can you send me a list of all the products that would be within in my range? (in the peel/enzyme dept.) you have my email b/c I've sent you so many!! haha- or I guess list it on here in case I'm not the only one with this issue. :-P

Thanks for the idea of the DermaFile- I will definitely look into that!

p.s. what about the Skin Scrubber? would that give better/as good as/not as good results as the DermaFile?

p.s.s. Bioelements has a Lactic Peel (30% pH 3.3)- could I incorporate that into you enzymes for blending?

Hi Gina:  I think that would work - however, to be on the safe side test it on yourself first to ensure no adverse reaction between the two products.  Regarding the skin scrubber - I think it's personal preference.  I switch between the two (skin scrubber and derma file).

Ok, great- and there shouldn't be ANY State Board issues with the dermafile, I wouldn't think??

I ordered the derma file today! :-)

I just want to say Skin Scripts ROCKS. Excellant customer service and super fast delivery of their products!  Besides a wonderful product lineup!

You rock!!!  Thank you so much for the kudos.  I hope you love your products.

Hey Theresa,

You are going to love these Skin Skripts Prdts! I havent usesd a whole lot of it yet but what I have I am really pleased with. And their customer service is outstanding!!

Great product is very important, but customer service (in my eyes) is equally important.  Thanks for your comments!

Hi Lisa-

(btw- I did order the Dermafiles- I am excited about this treatment!! thank you for the suggestion!)

I have a concern about the ethanol alcohol in the treatment pads. Could you explain why that is ingredient is included, and the benefit of it so I can understand better? I've always tried to avoid products with alcohol. Thank you!

Hi Gina.  You find the alcohol denatured in the Blemish Control Pads which is used as a solvent or carrier for active ingredients, it is anti-bacterial and anti-microbial.  For the chemist it is an ideal solvent; it will change the properties of the environment so that the formulator can incorporate active chemicals, otherwise insoluble, in to the final product.  A product with a certain amount of alcohol will not require preservatives because bacterial and fungi will not grow.

I use these pads for oily and acneic skin types.   I hope this helps!

 

Do you find the alcohol causing an increase in oiliness or an over-drying effect at all? my personal experience has always been that alcohol has exacerbated the problem (for me). or is this alcohol not as strong? I'm still a little "iffy" on some of my ingredient knowledge, I guess. :-/

Gina:  The Blemish Pads are meant to be a little drying.  They contain salicylic and glycolic which can dry the skin, but that's the point since they are oily.  I always recommend a hydrating serum or moisturizer afterwards.

Received my Skin Script products in the mail today. I'm looking forward to using them on my clients. Currently I have a few items in my back bar and glad to add additional ones. Thanks for the wonderful customer service.

Ok, thanks Lisa. Just placed my first Skin Scripts order!! Looking forward to incorporating it into my practice. :-)

Hey Gina, just thought I'd share...I personally use the Blemish Pads (twice a day) and they have not dried out my skin and I don't have extremely oily skin. I do put moisturizer on after each use but they have been VERY effective in reducing my acne.

Excellent- thank you Ashley. :-)

One other question- approximately how many clients are you able to service with an 8 oz. jar of enzyme?  16 oz. jar of mask?

I'm working on my "cost per use"..... :-P

Hi Gina:  If you  use .25 oz per treatment, you would get 30-40 facials from an 8 oz jar of enzyme and approximately 64 facials from a 16 oz mask.

Hi Lisa- I am tweaking my service menu after watching the DermaFile DVD.... you mentioned having GREAT results using the coconut enzyme (or kiwi) with the dermafile...

Could you do a play-by-play on how you do that service, and would you say it's better to do it that way than to do the dry polishing that is demonstrated in the DVD? I only want to have one dermafile treatment (for starters), and to keep it simple- but effective!

Any direction would be helpful!

Also- what do you charge for a treatment? I was thinking $50?

Lisa, I can't wait to see you next week and see how you use the Dermafile with your enzymes. You're very inventive! I'll have sets available for our students to purchase that day!

Hi Gina:  Here's how I do it (this is my preference, not the manufacturer's protocol).

1)  Cleanse twice.

2)  Apply appropriate enzyme with steam for 7-10 minutes.

3)  During the final minute of the enzyme, gently polish the skin with the dermafile (with the enzyme still on).

4)  Remove with a barber towel (or cool esthetic wipes).

5)  Proceed with the rest of your facial.

 

I have found this gentle protocol really effective!  Don't feel like you need only 1 protocol for the dermafile.  There may be instances where you want to dermafile first, then apply a chemical peel, so it drives deeper into the skin (maybe when you are working on pigmentation issues).

 

If you want further instruction, please feel free to call me at 480-543-1121.  Thanks!

 

I always customize something for my clients' skin condition and need.

Hi Everyone,

Lisa was at Real Transformation Center yesterday. We had a full room and she was fabulous!! Even though I've been using the products for a while now, I learned so much yesterday. I can't wait to start playing on my clients this week. Lisa will be back on October 2nd, although I'd like to get her back again before then!! Thanks Lisa, you're the best!

San Francisco is such a beautiful area to visit!  We took a dinner harbor cruise and the weather was beautiful - 73 degrees.  I met 29 great estheticians and we played with the Skin Script products.  A fabulous weekend!  I can't wait to come back!  Thanks to Shelley Hancock for her great hospitality.

Love the Rasbperry Peach Enzyme as my Spring Facial! I've had 3 clients request it and even had a couple of them requested it again for a 2nd time! It smells wonderful and their skin appears smoother. I'm having it till the end of May so people can ask for it for Mother's Day. Please make it again for next year. =)

Katrina: I'm glad you like the Raspberry Peach!  It's been so popular, I've decided to keep it and have it replace the Kiwi Enzyme.  We have more limited-edition enzymes coming this fall!  We hope to keep you and your clients excited about the products.

Is the Raspberry Peach a higher pH like the Kiwi Enzyme?

The Raspberry Peach is 2.07 ph, but it so gentle!

I am still trying to fully decipher our state board "laws" regarding pH... when I inquire what they keep referring me to is basically a list of recommendations by EMDA... I'm really not getting very clear answers... grrrr... anyway-

This is the only paragraph in that document as far as giving any pH and concentration guidelines:

"C. Cosmetic Use AHAs: "Cosmetic Use AHAs" means Alpha Hydroxy Acid exfoliation preparations that do not exceed a 30% concentration with a pH value not lower than pH 3.0 as established and recommended by the Cosmetic Ingredient Review Expert Panel."

This seems to only be applying to AHA's.

So it would seem I can use enzymes not containing AHA at any pH level b/c there appears to be no guideline on pH for enzymes or BHA's.

I am looking at the website... the Raspberry Peach has no AHA added?

I think you have a point.  The Raspberry Peach has 3% pumpkin enzyme and hibiscus flower, which is known for the high content of natural organic acids.

I think you have a very good argument for the State Board.  I had a friend join the Arizona Board of Cosmetology; during the first few sessions she kept quiet, then she started answering some of the "technical questions" that were coming through the board regarding facials, peels, etc.  Because she was knowledgeable about percentages, phs, she was able to make her point about the safety of the products and was able to get some ideas passed the Board via her knowledge.  It's worth going to a monthly meeting and listening to "who" is on the board to better understand your laws.  Changes aren't impossible to make - just get your voice heard.

Thanks, Lisa.

Can you keep the Kiwi enzyme around just in case?! LOL!! That leaves me only ONE- the coconut!!!

Hi Lisa, I am also looking to carry your products.  I live in NY state and also can't use an AHA with a pH lower than 3.  I am having trouble finding the actual reg but recall this info from school.  I assume it does not apply to other products but can't be sure yet.  I requested your ingredient info - do you also supply MSDS?

 

I used the kiwi enzyme on myself and absolutely loved it - am sorry to hear you won't be carrying it any longer.

Hi Trish:

I'm amazed at these state rules.  They are so limiting for a skin care professional who want to make a difference in the skin.

 

Yes, we do have MSDS sheets - please request them at info@skinscriptrx.com.

 

I'm glad you love the Kiwi - we've had mixed response on it - some people did not care for the scent (which I loved and raved about).

State Boards run by cosmetologists not estheticians...yes very limiting.
Very frustrating....
I vote to keep Kiwi!!! :-)

Hi Lisa- would you mind listing some of the contraindications you teach for using the Cranberry Turnover Peel? I am putting together an info sheet for my clients, and want to make sure I'm covering everything.

Thank you!

Hi Gina:  The Cranberry Turnover is a 20% salicylic is a cranberry cream base.  It's great for oily and acneic skin.  Contraindications would be (1) aspirin allergies, (2) accutane, (3) retin-a, (4) antibiotics.  I'm careful with a 20% salicylic on Fitz 4-6.  It's a hot peel (8 on a scale of 1-10) and it will penetrate the skin and results in some frosting.  Expect 4-6 days of flaking and modify their homecare to a gentle cleanser, moisturizer and spf during the flaking process.  Approximately day 5, your client should be reporting clear skin with a reduction in redness and inflammation (this is due to the cranberry).

If you are ever concerned about using a peel on a client, always patch test behind the ear.

wonderful! thank you Lisa. :-)

Would you recommend a gentle scrub while they're peeling? or would that be too harsh?

Hi Gina:  If you do a light peel, I think a gentle scrub is okay, but if they are in a full flake, I don't want any exfoliants pulling off the skin before it's ready to come off.

Now- I have another question for you! :-) (sorry!! I am full of questions...)

I have a friend with Rosacea.  She is in need of exfoliation, but she is very cautious (as she should be) about using anything rough or irritating on her skin. In the past she's had disastrous experiences with people doing microdermabrasion and strong glycolic peels on her (!!!), which made it sooo much worse.  So of course she is gun-shy.

I know you recommend the kiwi/papaya enzyme for rosacea (which I really hope you decide to keep!!) Is the coconut one also good for rosacea? and- how do you recommend incorporating this treatment for a rosacea client?

She is willing to let me do a "test" on her to see how she reacts to it. I plan to just do one small part of her cheek....

I know a lot of people suffer from rosacea and this is something I'd really like to learn more about and be able to help people with.

Thank you!

Hi Gina:  Yes, the Coconut/Papaya is great for sensitive and rosacea skin.  If you haven't tried it, you're missing the boat!  It's really softening.  For rosacea I recommend the Retinol 2% Exfoliating scrub at home used ever so gently on the skin, then rinsed off.  She can use it 2 times per week without irritation because it's not staying on the skin.

Rosacea is one of those conditions that gets treated many different ways.  I used to work for a physician who told me to use microderm on rosacea because of the "mites" in the skin.  It didn't seem right to me.  I hear a lot of different opinions when it comes to this skin condition.  I treat it very gently.