Penetration to the subcutaneous layer

Hi all,

A neighbor of mine sells Protandium (made by Life Vantage corp) and their skincare product (1) is called True Science.  She says it penetrates to the subcutaneous layer where the bottom of wrinkles exist.  I don't recall hearing in school that products can penetrate this far down.  Was I sleeping? Is this correct? Comments please.

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Permalink Reply by Cindy Greenwood on August 9, 2013 at 6:12am

If your neighor is selling it then I guess we're looking at another MLM!

IMO the people that sell these lines make the most ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims! I know that they are just repeating what they were told...but the bottom line is that they are lying and misleading people.

Since I try to lead my own life in integrity - this type of person totally mystifies me...guess not everyone is concerned about being honest and doing the right thing (especially if they think they can make a buck!).

I doubt you will get anywhere trying to educate the ignorant...I think she already drank the kool-aid and is beyond help. :)

Permalink Reply by Dana Lindahl on September 21, 2013 at 2:20pm

Hi everyone,

Thank you all for your comments and assistance. I am so sorry not to have responded sooner.  I assumed responses would automatically go into my email and I would see them right away!  Didn't happen that way. So now a month later I am replying.   Unfortunately,  Protandim people think they know EVERYTHING and they try to back it up with lots and lots of their research.  They make it very hard to debate anything.

Permalink Reply by Dana Lindahl on September 24, 2013 at 6:50am

Thanks Marty for the diagram.  It is wonderful.  I printed it and will keep it with my resources file.

Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on September 24, 2013 at 10:06am

Dana

No problem.  There are a lot more of them if you need, ask away

My new website is up and soon there will be a lot of cool information.  Check it out when you have a second. Thanks in advance...

Marty

SkinCareScience.com

Permalink Reply by Adrienne Ortiz on September 27, 2013 at 1:15pm

Hi Marty!

 

Would you mind sending me the PDF as well. Definitely a must have! adrienne.n.ortiz@gmail.com

 

Thank You!

Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on September 27, 2013 at 1:17pm

Sure Sent.

Marty

SkinCareScience.com

Permalink Reply by Adrienne Ortiz on September 27, 2013 at 2:05pm

Thank you so much!! Love this diagram!

Permalink Reply by Nicoletta Yudelevitch on October 9, 2013 at 10:19pm

Hi Marty

Can I get a copy too.

Thank you in adavance :-)

Nicoletta

skincarebynicoletta@hotmail.com

Permalink Reply by Dawn C on October 11, 2013 at 11:40am
Could I also get a copy of the diagram, Marty. Thanks a bunch
Dawn2dust4u2@gmail.com
Permalink Reply by Felice | SolutionsForBeauty.com on October 6, 2013 at 2:52pm

Firstly most companies say they are 100% chemical free but don't give any detail.  There's only one company that I am familiar with which does nano technology 100 cell/30 which penetrates quite well.  I am convinced as to the below perfume/chemical free company.  Korean companies are popular with skin care but this one stands out:

Atomy (You don't even need a steam machine because of the advanced nano technology):  

  1. Troubled Skin Care in 3 steps:  http://youtu.be/7qQlMsiEvoQ
  2. Makeup Remover, Cleanser, Peeler Treatment (removes dead skin and lifts) - 4 steps:  http://youtu.be/RF8yFD2nPnI
  3. Cream System:  http://youtu.be/vTE-gi4uBNs
  4. CompanyValues:  http://youtu.be/NCfset6cvI
  5. Atomy health:  http://youtu.be/Tg1C-4Y5WjA 
Permalink Reply by Nina on October 12, 2013 at 7:48pm
Hi Felice, I see that you post a lot about the skincare line Atomy, I decided to look at the website just to see what it's all about (being that I live for researching and studying skincare ingredients), and that you say these are chemical free products in some of your posts. When I looked at all of the ingredients in all of the products, I did see a lot of good natural ingredients, extracts, however I also saw quite a bit of chemicals, "Sodium Lauryl Sulfate", "Alcohol", "Fragerance", "cetyl alcohol", "PEG's", "disodoum EDTA"; and more etc, these are all highly pore clogging ingredients, and are known to be very irritating. Now don't get me wrong, I am not trying to knock you or your skincare line down, I know not every skincare line is perfect, not even the one I use, I pick and choose, as I always say, there are very often a few bad products in a good skincare line, and a few good products in a bad skincare line, but I did see quite a bit of the 'known to be more irritating chemicals' right up there with the beneficial natural ingredients in majority of these products, and I just wanted to bring that to your attention; and I also wanted to finally get to ask a question to a professional that I've always wanted to ask, now that there is someone, a few people, on the inside of selling or promoting skincare right here within this community, I want to know what you think about ingredients like that being in skincare, and if you feel that they need to be in these products. I know a lot of them have functions obviously, but I just wonder what in the skincare can't be used without them. Im not sure how far into studying ingredients you are, but I figured I would ask, and that maybe my information might be useful to you as well when promoting. I personally stay away from ingredients like that, but that's just me, I came to that conclusion back when I had huge problems with my skin; spending hundreds of dollars on stuff that wasn't working or worsening the situation, and ended up doing my own research on ingredients to fix my own skin (it's what got me into this field), but that was for my sensitive, break-out prone skin type, everyone is different, and I'd love to hear other point of views from other estheticians. I'm just curious to hear from other estheticians in general, do you think the good ingredients in a product outweigh the bad? Or the bad just contradicts the good?
Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on October 12, 2013 at 8:52pm

Nina

Big subject. Here is are some little known facts and some other details:

A skin care mfgr and the quality of the product is determined by the ability of the chemist and their opinion on what constitutes as a bad chemical ingredient.

The FDA, EU and Health Canada all have 'Hot Lists' or ingredients that should not be used and also that should be avoided.  With that said the MFgr also makes money on the number on ingredients he or she formulates with so that is where and how you get formulas with a lot of base ingredients. 

The 'Hot Lists' should also be used as a guide for what not to use but sometimes the skin care lines do not know enough to tell their mfgr what they want and what they do not want. It comes down to telling the chemist what to do and know the answer before they do so they will not over power you and give you something you do not believe in or has ingredients that are on the 'Hot Lists'.  Make sense?

Also, private label is a massive contributor to this problem as many private label companies say they formulate themselves but actually do not and buy in limited quantities such as 10 lbs.  Just so you now a gallon jug (think milk jug) will fill 120 one ounce jars. That is enough for some lines to sell for a month or whatever their volume is.

The point is if the skin care line does not have the same belief as the mfgr and the chemist and the chemist can make the formula then you going to have a problem.

Last Point:  The FDA allows for time between what a bottle says and what is actually in it plus this is a big problem to police.  So trust is a very big issue within skin care that is in my opinion very over looked.

Marty

SkinCareScience.com

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