Im just wondering how much massage can you do when giving a facial without it being "massage therapy".  For instance, could I massage the scalp or neck?

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It depends on your state, I believe.

Like, here in CA, we can't massage the feet, but I know other states allow this for Estys.

In CA, we can massage shoulders on up (so, technically, even the chest/decollete may not be OK, though everyone does).  Come to think of it, I'm not so sure on all the CA rules, cause I know many Estys massage hands and arms, too, and I don't recall that being listed as approved for Estys, but its been awhile since I looked.

Long story, less long- it depends on your state, but I believe most states OK shoulders, neck and scalp (and face of course), and some OK even more.

I'm in NYS and I was under the impression we can massage all over as long as it was very light massage movements. I during a facial i've done  neck, shoulders, head, arms, & hands. Not all at in the same facial, but at least two.  

I never looked at the laws, but in school we were taught shoulder and chest area & hand and arm.  In more advanced classes I took, I learned scalp as well.  I try to incorporate all in some form into my facials. 

In my state (OR) we can go down the neck to the decollete.  Beyond that, we can only massage in product or perform massaging motions for manual lymph drainage.  We can do scalp massage.  I adhere to these guidelines pretty strictly, mostly because I don't know how to properly massage below the neck (I leave that to the LMTs!).  I worry about liability issues, etc.  When I massage in product I use light effleurage movements, and that seems to go over very well.  It doesn't massage away pain or anything, but it is relaxing in its own way.

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