Osmosis Skin Care, a special way to use it?
Hello All,
Several months ago I was getting ready to purchase Osmosis Skin Care. I did some research and reached out to someone who uses the product. They kept telling me it was the best product ever as long as I "knew how to apply it". My question then was "well other than following the company's protocol, how do you apply it to get the best result?" She then told me she would be happy to give me classes on how to do so at $500.00 per half day. So the red flags came up and I politely ended the conversation. I am happy to pay for classes, but I felt this was a little fishy. All of this being said, has anyone hear of a specific way other than the normal, company recommended protocol to apply the Osmosis Skin Care line?
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Permalink Reply by Cindy Greenwood on
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Melinda -
I would only discuss this with an Osmosis Rep or trainer...I am surprised that you would place an order without having had contact with someone there.
You can schedule skype training if there are no classes in your area.
Then you can connect with other estheticians who are already using Osmosis...without paying a "fee".
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Permalink Reply by Melinda Caballero on
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Cindy, I have discussed this with Osmosis rep. I have also utilized extensively their web site for training. My question is other than the information they offer does anyone know of any different ways to apply/use this product. My way of connecting with other estheticians who are already using the product is by posting to this discussion forum.
Thanks, Melinda
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Then I think that the girl is "scamming" you or trying to blow you off.
If you already know protocols and have discussed the Osmosis philosophy and techniques then you should have no problem. I am guessing that you already understand about massaging the products in well and about delivery systems.
I usually use products on myself before I offer to clients...I have been using Osmosis for 6 months. And I don't believe that you can use the same approach with Osmosis that you have used for other lines in the past. The products are different...the philosophy is different.
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Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on
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Cindy
I think your wrong and would seriously challenge you on that. I have looked at the line and it is not what the front end marketing says it is. Nothing wrong with the line or anything like that but the complicated nature of what your talking about is not accurate.
It can be used just like the approach I outlined below, almost all lines can. The problem becomes when they make cocktails and all sorts of wild claims. Not to mention all the excessive ingredients used. And this is of course expecting the mfgr to use the right amount of a specific ingredient to do the job.
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Okay.
I have no problem with having differing opinions!
No need to "challenge". :D
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Cindy
This comment: "The products are different...the philosophy is different."
Same with this: "And I don't believe that you can use the same approach with Osmosis that you have used for other lines in the past"
(Of course this last one is more true then not since I don't know what line is used before, but the same holds true as I posted below)
**I always take a statement(s) like that as it is read from a newbie**
Do not take it personal as it is not meant to be but think how a newbie would read that vs the way I described or something like it. Meaning it is easier then you think and you if you following some simple points... (No matter what the points are - keep it simple).
There is no need to present a cover of sophistication because that is what sells or a dr. like image. My way is not the only way but I feel it is along the purest of ways and most uncomplicated.
Unless your dealing with chemical peels or lasers, the skin and the way it functions happens on many levels but they are all specific and must happen in specific time frames. The known actives to help with the process are already there and have been for a very long time. Saying what you said only brings about the marketing angle and that is the place where newbies get frustrated and confused.
They feel like they are less then or not as knowledgeable when in fact they are and its only in more advanced levels where they need education and education on advanced hands on procedures. I hope I am being nice and personal and not confrontational.
Saying that you have to know this special thing or that special thing is marketing and creates skin care lines; differentiates them. Not to many lines go the simple and pure route. Its hard to sell those lines when you don't have that complicated hook...
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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So,
I still don't understand your point Marty.
It's good that you are skeptical of other manufacturers, everyone should be.
However, I am not a product vendor...YOU are.
And skepticism doesn't make someone an expert on products that they don't know anything about....so with all due respect, comments from you about another product line that you have not used or formulated and are not knowledgable about are really inappropriate.
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'Inappropriate'...Not so Cindy.
Allow me to explain:
First this is a professional forum and I believe my comments are that. Yes opinionated but that is exactly what I am giving. The fact that I am writing is my 'opinion'.
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The skin care industry is NOT regulated by the FDA. What this means is that a product line mfgr can be anybody and can say anything they want. The FDA turns their back on what skin care lines are actually saying and doing because it is too big of a problem and BIG pharma doesn't care.
If you want the research on it please read the background on what a 'cosmeceutical' is and how the FDA regulates a skin care product. That will help you understand where the FDA draws lines, where the line actually is and how the skin care industry views those regulations or should I say ignores them.
So when an esty creates her own line or a Dr. and they buy a private label because they do not want to put up the $500,000 to do it the right way they are basically taking a liquid and re-branding it and then re-writing what it can or cannot do or basically what they want it to be.
Your correct in your word: Skepticism
But its not 'Skepticism' when you know where the ingredients come from and how much is actually needed or what the trials actually are.
You see I get the same solicitations. I am offered the ingredients. So to your point: When I read a claim I know where it is basically coming from and then when I read or see the product I know how it was developed. Then when I put forth my knowledge of the skin and how it operates which is not 'NEW' information, then very quickly I make my opinion.
No offense to you, as you post a lot and have for some time, but consider this: You as a skin care professional are so far down stream with regards to the mfgr process that there is no way for you to understand exactly what I am saying but to date I have never had another skin care mfgr post a debating remark to anything I have ever said nor has a moderator or for that matter any other skin care professional (besides you) ever corrected me as you have today.
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Melinda
Sorry you had that experience.
Try this:
What skin type are you applying to and what outcome are you looking for and when and how is it be prescribed.
Easy when you look at it this way; So from the top ---->
1. What is the Fitzpatrick Scale?
2. What skin type? Oily or Normal to Dry?
3. What is the concern and what is your main concern / objective?
4. Are you using in the morning or evening and what do you want your client to do?
Now for the fun part:
What active ingredient in the cleanser (I am assuming your starting here) is to do what for you / client? Then the next active ingredient? Control Oil? Anti Aging? Resurfacing / Exfoliating? Then Sunscreen? Done for AM
Then for PM treat the same. These are VERY broad strokes but I can do it with any line and so can you if you follow some simple patterns.
1. Know your client ***KEY***
2. Know the skin - what it can and what it cannot do and how long approximately it should take to accomplish goals
3. Know the active ingredients proven to treat that skin condition or concern
The big question: Why could you not use this approach with this line? $500 for what? If your asking yourself this question then maybe the question is not directed at the correct source. :))
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Permalink Reply by coldsalineplexus on
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Yep, always return to skin type, pigmentation, and conditions and follow that info to ingredients that are proven to address them (while being careful that you don't inadvertently expose the skin to base/incidental/unnecessary ingredients that would make things worse... the classic isopropyl myristate in Retin-A example).
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Permalink Reply by Dana Lindahl on
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Find out when Osmosis is doing a seminar or weekend classes. I attended one in Denver over the summer. You will learn a lot about the product line and the philosophy behind it (healing from the inside out, no harsh acids used for peeling, etc) They have a non chemical peel called facial infusion which is performed differently than a typical chemical peel. It is massaged into the skin until the color of it (orange) disappears. It is not neutralized or washed off. Maybe that is what Cindy is referring to? Anyway, at the seminar you will meet many Osmosis "groupies". Dr. Ben Johnson and his team are extremely knowledgeable, helpful and will give you all the time and attention you need to understand their line. I hope this helps! P.S. I am new to the line also but love the products I've used on myself. I like lines that KEEP IT SIMPLE.
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Thank you all for the input. It has been helpful :)
Melinda
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