PCA'S Detox Gel Deep Pore Treatment after microdermabrasion?

HI everyone! I have a client with sensitive, oily, acne/breakout prone skin. I want to start a month to month series of treatments for her alternating between PCA's Sensi Peel & microdermabrasion w/ PCA's Detox Gel Deep Pore Treatment. I am new to PCA products and have gone through PCA's training, I just wanted some opinions on how you think this would work. Is the Detox Gel ideal after microdermabrasion? Any suggestions would be great. I've also thought about using microdermabrasion with PCA's Clarifying mask instead of the Detox Gel. Or maybe just not doing microdermabrasion at all. Suggestions? Thanks!

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Permalink Reply by Denise Ivers on August 11, 2013 at 4:08pm

Hi Taylor,

For sensitive active acne I would avoid microdermabrasion. 

I think the Detox Gel works great on it's own with extractions and high frequency.  You may find that some clients are sensitive to the Detox Gel so really keep an eye out while steaming.  I alternate peels with the detox gel monthly or every two weeks for some clients and it's a great treatment for getting acne under control while working to clear PIH.  The Clarifying masks gets pretty hot, make sure you do not use steam and that you completely remove this product.  I also use Skin Scripts and get great results with this line.

Personally I prefer Dermafile over microdermabrasion.  No suction involved and you can polish up the skin with excellent results.

Permalink Reply by Taylor Michelle on August 12, 2013 at 11:19am

Thank you Denise! Do you fan your clients to calm down any uncomfortable sensation after the detox gel/steaming?

Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on August 12, 2013 at 11:37pm

Taylor

Microderm is a big thing.  Much bigger then the industry leads most to believe so I hope my thoughts will help.

When you do micro derm you are using a man made machine with mechanical forces and human pressures to basically sand paper the skin.  The skin has about 13 +/- 3 layers to the SC and with all the human elements to the procedure there is really no way for you to know exactly how many layers you are taking off and where.  Meaning under a micro scope the skin could look like a really bad highway you drive your car on.  Can you visualize what the machine is doing? Then visualize 13 layers of skin cells.  How could you ever only strip what you want or what you think is the right amount and where?

Then your going to apply a peel ( I am not familiar with this product from PCA ) to these high and low areas and then expect what results?

The stratum Corneum and its 13 + / - 3 layers is the bodies protection against TEWL and the outside environment so please give a few moments of thought to this point when trying to figure out what is best for you and your client.

See attached picture.  TEWL.jpg shows the top of the skin and a skin cell lifting.  Thick SC.jpg shows the layers of the skin.

Can you see my thoughts with the aid of these pictures?

Marty

SkinCareScience.com

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Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on August 13, 2013 at 12:55am

Taylor

This also might help you:

Read these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totarol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutathione

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide

The acids are:

Glycolic Acid, Lactic Acid and Salicylic Acid at 2% and pH is not disclosed.  If the pH is above 3.8 the acids are neutral.  This peel is very weak even if the pH is 3.5 or lower. I could not find the full ingredient deck so I could not tell you more about this product.

Also, it is a gel so does that mean you leave it on for ? or time it or is it suppose to be used with a higher strength peel which would be applied on top? I could not find the directions for the peel protocol so please look into that and I am sure it will give some details.

Marty

SkinCareScience.com

Permalink Reply by Taylor Michelle on August 13, 2013 at 10:51am

HI Marty! Thank for the info. The detox gel is not meant to be removed so that it is completely absorbed by the skin. And I now know that with this particular client I will not be doing microdermabrasion.

 I have the peel protocol and I feel this peel would be perfect for my clients sensitivities and concerns. However, if I had a client I wanted to perform a microderm/chemical peel combo on it would be so that the chemical peel would be more of benefit to the client, especially if she or he had not been properly caring for their skin (cleansing, exfoliating, etc).

Permalink Reply by coldsalineplexus on August 13, 2013 at 5:24pm

It sounds like you have your answer for this particular client.

As a general point, I would recommend chemical exfoliation before manual if you are going to combine the two.  You're more likely to get a very fast (uncontrolled) overproccessing reaction by putting acid onto mechanically exfoliated skin than you are to overprocess chemically peeled skin with a (relatively slower, especially if you set your machine low, go slow, and monitor closely for even erythema) manual exfoliation technique.  

Permalink Reply by Taylor Michelle on August 14, 2013 at 12:17pm

Really? I've always been taught to do microderm first. But, I do understand your view. Thank you!

Permalink Reply by Sheila Gordon on August 14, 2013 at 7:08am

I use the detox gel a lot to spot treat clogged areas while the client is steaming and I am putting together their customized treatment.  I would do your other exfoliation whether it's an enzyme or micro after.  I haven't had any issues.

Permalink Reply by Taylor Michelle on August 14, 2013 at 12:18pm

Thank you!

Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on August 14, 2013 at 4:08pm

Taylor

I would like to touch on this directly for you if I may. 

When you do microdermabrasion or ANY dermal scraping or sanding. You are removing skin cells that protect the underlying skin layers. When you do it with a machine you are doing it at various layers (levels) thus exposing the skin to increased / decreased levels of absorption.

Think about it this way:  When you wax you ARE pulling skin cells with the wax and that is one of the reasons you do not apply chemical peels after waxing or based on my experience 1 - 2 weeks of waxing.

So maybe with that low level of gel peel there is no issue and to be honest on Fitz 2.5 - 4.5 you would probably be ok but I always error on no scraping or sanding prior to chemical peel application or after.

Marty

SkinCareScience.com

Permalink Reply by Taylor Michelle on August 14, 2013 at 7:39pm

Thanks for the advice Marty! I will def be doing more research on mechanical and chemical exfoliations being done together!

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