Microneedling...thoughts?

Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with microneedling. I saw it the Philly ICES last October and was intrigued, and now I have heard from a couple of different lines that they are considering adding it to their protocols to increase product penetration. It seems a little aggressive to me, but I did see pretty dramatic, immediate results at the show, and I can see how it could increase penetration. What do you all think?

Rachael

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Permalink Reply by Katrina Kulm on March 19, 2011 at 2:59pm

No, I will never try microneedling..anything that involves making your skin bleed by going that deep is ridiculous. How does that not make scars when it heals or even later on? That seems like something to get done by a Dermatologist, not by an esthetician. I'm just going to stick with my wonderful PCA peels! Also, I want to mention that PCA Skin gives you great support with using their line.

Permalink Reply by Rachael Pontillo on March 19, 2011 at 3:17pm

They have different depths...and I did not see any bleeding on anyone at the show. Apparently the deep ones can only be purchased by MDs, not even nurses and definitely not esties. I wouldn't ever consider doing something that would cause bleeding either. I was just curious if anyone has any experience with the superficial depth ones, and if they have noticed any improvement in product efficacy after microneedling.

Permalink Reply by Katrina Kulm on March 19, 2011 at 3:39pm

Oh ok, Sorry I didn't realize that. I just watched youtube videos of microneedling and their clients bleed all over their face! That's where I've seen it, I never saw it done at the show. Hopefully someone on here will let you know if they've tried the superficial depth ones and if it has made a difference on their clients.

Permalink Reply by Rachael Pontillo on March 19, 2011 at 4:07pm

Oh my I can only imagine! I bet those videos were scary...

Permalink Reply by Heather Capitanich on March 20, 2011 at 10:13am

not sure if our insurance covers derma rollers or microneedling.....May want to check into that first.

Permalink Reply by Rachael Pontillo on March 20, 2011 at 10:41am

Yes I thought of that too...

Permalink Reply by Karin Schulz-McClain on March 20, 2011 at 3:17pm

I have a vendor rep that has shown us and my students the microneedliing roller that actually came in their student kits. The DVD is kind of scary, the MDs are the only ones that can do the deeper penetration needling. The superficial rollers are nice but they are for ONLY one person they don't hurt when you use them, but when you apply your product afterwards, it can be uncomfortable and erythema may linger longer. In FL, Estheticians can not do anything to the skin that penetrates into the dermis, if you draw blood, you've definitely gone too far. Make sure that you are properly insured, are within your scope of practice, and are properly trained. Supposedly the rolling helps to build collagen by wounding the skin and forcing it to rebuild and heal. The collagen creates a firmer more youthful appearance and over time can diminish fine lines and acne scarring. The rollers can be retailed to your clients...also kind of scary unless you educate them and also have a good product line to help them with their concerns. I hope this helps.

Permalink Reply by Rachael Pontillo on March 20, 2011 at 5:56pm

Yes, thanks. I have to check with my state regs to see if it is allowed outside of the medical/medspa environment. I saw the "home care" microneedle rollers and was kind of freaked out by the thought of it as well. Those things in the wrong hands could do a lot of damage. Thanks for your feedback.

Permalink Reply by Rachael Pontillo on April 27, 2011 at 11:08pm

I was recently approached by a direct sales "opportunity" by a Rodan and Fields line (same company as Proactiv) that offers a microneedle ("bio-roller") product for home use by the general public with no training. I was appalled and quickly declined the offer. It seems this is becoming a trend not just for professionals...very concerning...

Permalink Reply by Ruby Powell on May 23, 2011 at 8:34pm

I have a brow/lash tint client that I've been trying for 6 months or more to get in for a facial. Her sister introduced her to the anti-aging line which uses the roller offered by the Proactiv company. She loves it and her skin looks great. I too am too scared to you try it.

Permalink Reply by Stephanie Peterman on November 6, 2011 at 10:31pm

Most of my practice is needling. Anything is scary until your properly trained and fully understand the in's and out's. In one needling I can completely remove someones wrinkles (this will last 7 years if not properly taken care of and possibly their whole life if giving your skin the right love) in 1 to 3 treatments. I think dermarollers are beneficial but I do a more aggressive approach using needling tools. Scaring and pigmentation only results if the client completely ignores the home care. Which....would be crazy. Ive never had an unsatisfied client. Theres only so much peels and dermaplaning can do. Results from years of peels can be accomplished in just 1 to 3 needling treatments. Also I dont consider dermarollers or microrollers skin needling. Each person has to be comfortable about what they can do in their treatment room. We grow when we learn. Our clients want results.

Permalink Reply by Deb LaRosa on November 8, 2011 at 8:42pm

Stepanie,

What length needle do you seem to find works best for the majority of clients? How much time do you typically spend in doing a needling treatment? Thanks!