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Permalink Reply by Jamie Jacob on March 5, 2014 at 7:40pm

I don't use this if too many extractions are needed. I prefer the Pomegranete enzyme for that and unless they don't like touch. I massage them include neck and ears more than face.

Permalink Reply by Lisa VanBockern on March 5, 2014 at 7:50pm

Generally, I use it on mature skin that needs firming, and most times that type of skin doesn't need a lot of extractions (but I always gently try).  Based on how they respond to the treatment is how I decide if I will do massage.  If they respond well (pink or red), then I might focus massage more on hands, feet and body.  If they only get slightly pink is when I'll do more massage or incorporate a modality.

I think you could market it as a firming facial both ways (with and without massage, 30 or 60 minutes) and then adjust your massage to the appropriate body area.

I look forward to everyone else's response on how they use this unique product.

Lisa

Permalink Reply by Marilyn Thoms on March 7, 2014 at 5:25pm

Hi Lisa,

I would like to start using the Passionfruit protocol for neck firming.  I have notes that I shouldn't use it on Fitzpatrick types 4,5,6; no hyperpigmentation and no melasma. Is that the case for the neck, too?

After removing the enzyme, I was also wondering if I could use a serum with my Ultrasonic spatula on the flip side to get an intense micro-massage to heat the skin tissue, stimulating blood flow or is that too much stimulation?

Do you have a protocol and time-table just for neck firming?

Marilyn

Permalink Reply by Lisa VanBockern on March 8, 2014 at 8:03am

Marilyn:  I say no fitz 4-6 and no pigmentation as I don't want to warm up their melanocyte with this dermal warming.  So, I'll let you decide.  I would say no on the neck for Fitz 4-6, but yes to neck on Fitz 1-3 if there is no pigmentation issues present.

I don't have a time-table or protocol, but I would suggest a series of 6 (once a week).  It takes 3 months to see the true results from collagen stimulation.  Expect subtle results of firming the skin; if your client is looking for full skin tightening, think plastic surgery (just want to set expectations so they are happy).

Lisa

Permalink Reply by Cheryl Bruss on March 20, 2014 at 10:56am

Hi Lisa so if I need to work on firming and the client does have HP from sundamage but that is a concern as well I would Not use the passionfruit enzyme?

Also on another note I had a client that had a bad reaction to the spf. Could it be possibly from the Kukui nut oil? She said she was not aware of a nut allergy tho. Hmm. Just a thought

Permalink Reply by Lisa VanBockern on March 20, 2014 at 11:48am

Hi Cheryl:  I think sun damage is different and feel okay using the Passionfruit.  It's melasma where I worry about heating the dermis and stimulating that collagen. 

Interesting on the SPF; rare occurrences with reactions since it is chemical free.  I'm not sure what the culprit could be if there is not a nut allergy.  Has she been able to use other sunblocks from other lines?  If so, what's the main difference between the two products and maybe we could find a glaring ingredient that she would react to.

Permalink Reply by Cheryl Bruss on March 20, 2014 at 2:18pm

okay thanks Lisa .

When I see her I will ask more questions she is a bit hesitant about doing another facial I am trying to be reassuring to her that the Kukui nut oil is not in any of the other products I use so we will see Thanks for your response Have a wonderful day :)