We have been getting great feedback from our clients that it is the "best" peel on the market and we have also been recently featured on ABC news as one of the top 3 new anti-aging products.
Please click on the below link to our instructional video so you can learn a little more about The Perfect Peel:
Is there currently a product available to esthetician that can be applied topically to a suspicious site - a 'cancer' screening agent that visably reacts (either with or without a light of specific wave length as part of the skin analysis) - so that a trained medical esthetician might accurately and confidently direct and / or induce a resistant client to seek further professional help for a suspicious area?
I know it's expensive to start a new business and Microdermabrasion Machines are expensive. I would save my money until I had enough saved to get what I need for the scope of practice. Patients is a virtue :) Compromising on lesser quality can be a vital mistake. I recommend the Dermafile. That is what I started out with & the clients that started with the Dermafile actually prefer it over the machine. It's a beautiful tool. Shelly Hancock of The Real Transformation Center is the local Representative in California for this tool and is who I purchased mine through. Crushed diamonds on Stainless steel in three different grades; FIne, Medium & Course. You can do body with these also. They are coming out with a new and improved Dermafile in May, I believe. Check it out, you will not be disappointed.-this really is an awesome tool to have in your toolbox!
My Spa just purchased a BT Micro! The directions are simple enough and the video...EXTREMELY basic 3 minute demo. Does anyone have any guidance or words of advice for using this device? Can I only use it with BT products or can it be used with our product line? Thanks!
I am considering the Obagi Medical Line. I work and live at 8,000 feet. Lots of hyperpigmentation and lots of active folks. Resort community past Winter Park. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has used or is using the line now. Can email me directly tanyagioia@yahoo.com
Hi all, I posted a cool video on YouTube reviewing some "magic gloves" (conductive gloves) for microcurrent treatments that I recently bought. My Microcurrent business is getting pretty busy but I was bored with my wands. They are a fun change up from the norm and clients love them!
"Here's a fun video I did showing how facial microcurrent and oil do not mix! http://youtu.be/U18nSkEiAeI" If you have any microcurrent questions, shoot them my way. I'm always eager to help new and veteran esthies too.
Thanks, Andrea. Yes this is why all the microcurrent machine manufacturers say over and over, (or they should) "No oil with microcurrent! ". Imagine, even if you use a little bit of oil in a microcurrent treatment, say 20%, then your treatment will be 20% less effective than if you'd used a water based product. Crazy!
@ Susan, you bet. I love doing them. I just wish others would start posting video responses so we can all learn fun new techniques. We are like personal trainers for our clients faces and we all have our little special techniques we learn over time that really work. It would be fun to see others tips.
Christine, the microcurrent and oil demo was fun, informative and brief -- perfect combo for me! Thanks for sharing. I loved your comment about your husband and the olive oil, too. LOL.
Hi Yaneth, I have been using Radiancy FSD (and also CTL, for acne) since I opened my own Treatment Room in December last year. The main improvement I have seen is that reduces redness giving a more even skin tone and “plumps” a little bit the skin reducing acne scars and enlarged pores; it doesn't work too well with hyperpigmentation though. It works much better on visible damaged skin (acne scars, sagging, fine to medium deep wrinkles, rosacea, etc.) because you and your client can see a difference and since you need to do several treatments, is easier to sell them to clients that see improvements since the first one. I like the fact that is very easy to use, there are no way you can harm the skin (which may happen with lasers), once you start with the series it takes 20-30 min. per treatment, you going to have that client coming to you twice a week for at least 4 weeks and the client feels (and sees) that she is getting more like a med-spa service with results oriented and not only a pampering facial. I think I paid for mine $3,500.00 I bought it from Shelly Hancock, you can look at her web site: Shelly Hancock Real Transformation Center. I hope this help you to make a decision. (Sorry for the spelling and/or grammar, I speak Spanish).
If your client does not want to reapply sunscreen, she can buy makeup with sunscreen (lots of foundation brands are SPF 17 or higher). She can use sunglasses, scarves and hats (greater benefits if those objects are made of fabric with SPF like the swimming suits). She can use windows with UV protection and keep them closed while driving...
Couldn't she just do absolutely nothing, given that every FDA-cleared Sunscreen is supposed to give two hours of CONTINUOUS protection? If she's only using an hours' worth of protection, and assuming she doesn't sweat it off, eat it off, or let her office-mates rub it off, wouldn't she still have protection for the hour's drive home? And, frankly, if her office-mates are planning to rub it off, wouldn't that be a lot more fun than driving home immediately after the workday is over?
Uhmmm, well James she doesn't drive an hour to work,park her car then turn around and drive an hour back immediately. It's an 8 hour work day so...yeah, but thanks for using my post to rant against the FDA's use of the word continous and giving zero helpful advice of course.
I use Radiancy's Duet Pro and I've been happy with the results. I do not use it for acne only to treat hyper-pigmentation, vascular lesions and skin rejuvenation. I think it works as well as any IPL for photo rejuvenation. Warning, the company's recommendations for settings are way to high. I went around with them on that. I would suggest contacting myself or another esthetician who has experience with the equipment to get realistic settings. I paid 14,000.00
Monica
my boss had ran across it while shopping at a local mall..so I went online andlooked at it...she had me and another esthy try it for a week...it smells like unripe bananas and goes on thick and dries tight...did not see any difference in my skin except clogged pores...so I am back to my Image Max which I absolutely can see a difference when I use this product..
it said online that it is the topical botox but I did not care for it...hope this helps
And I think it's one of those pyramid companies like Mary Kay...the rep is really pushy and she wont stop calling the spa even after I told her my opinion of the product.
I've had awesome results with Nerium. Sounds like you got a dud rep. I've done a few videos about it. Great company but you occasionally get bad apple. I love this product. My clients are loving it too. I sell alot of it. I also use the image line. I sell alot do the Max serum as well, but not as much as Nerium, now.
Monica, join the Nerium for Estheticians group on Facebook. I started it a few weeks ago when I joined and it's really active. Lots of good info there. Also, there's no secret to success here, just follow their plan. They have excellent training but it takes dedication and consistency, like everything worthwhile. Good luck. See you on Facebook.
Also please remember selling product like Nerium that "unlicensed professionals" also sell is not good business. How would you feel about stepping into a medi-spa that sells Avon?
Bridgett, I hear you. I've been an esty for 13 years. I've seen all of them. they've hounded me for years. Texas is deeply entrenched in Arbonne, Avon etc etc. when I moved here from Miami I was amazed at how many clients were on Mary Kay. I'm not saying I like it, and I still sell professional products (image skincare, which I love) but sometimes a product comes along that is too special too ignore. I tried it and got hooked. I had to let go of my professional product snobbery to accept this product works as well as it does. It was a tough pill to swallow. But I knew, mlm or not, I had to offer this product to my clients. And of course I had to have access to it for myself! I'm not getting any younger! Anyway, I'm saying I was the biggest skeptic, and I was a little miffed at the esty who introduced me to it. (How dare she not use a pro product!). And then I tried it. And that was it for me. Hooked.
Christine & Monica: I've tried Nerium myself, it smells horrible and I saw no difference except a little more "shine", the product has a yellow/shimmer color to it, which I think is helping with the brightening appearance that some people notice, like any other good makeup or skincare product has. The product also is very deceptive in the packaging. It's only like 1/2 an ounce in a huge, heavy bottle. I don't like that deception. I use Epicuren amongst other professional products and see wonderful results on my clients at a better price than Nerium AD. I don't consider my view "product snobbery" and here's why: Obviously you can sell whatever product you like but I just have an issue with them letting "whoever" sell it. Why would they choose to let "whoever" sell it? Probably has something to do with that pyramid. I think we need to set ourselves apart from MLM products. I'm sure Nerium works for some people but how is it you will keep them from buying from their neighbor and not you? How do you not know your client will become your competition next when they decide to sell it and then sell it to all her friends, family etc or any other current client that you have that she knows? For me, it's a business decision to not let your clients become your competition, not necessarily "product snobbery". You don't realize it but you are basically functioning as unpaid salesperson for Nerium.
I would just like to quickly input something that helped me when I chose to incorporate an MLM essential oil company into my skin therapy business. I had been using the oils for almost 2 yrs before I even became an esthetician so I already had my own testimonials. I started using some of the oils in my treatments for their great benefits to the skin and for aromatherapy. I knew I wanted to share the opportunity for my clients to purchase them as well, but I was worried about my reputation as a skin therapist building my new business and didn't want to take away from that by promoting an MLM. The transition to using and promoting the oils was way easier than I though it would be and I actually have never had to justify my decision to any client as of yet because they know the quality of the oils, they want it and they don't really seem to care how I am involved in the MLM company. Actually in this company it is referred to as an Independent Product Consultant or a wholesale member. This enables you to just purchase at wholesale prices or share it with others and earn commissions and bonuses.
What helped me was hearing the company explain why they chose the MLM business model to sell this item. They say they could have spent tons of money on marketing and advertising, but they prefer to use that money to pay people like me the commissions and bonuses to educate people on how to use these oils for wellness. an example would be: If you could just walk into a store and buy a bottle of certified pure therapeutic grade Frankincense oil for $90 would you? Probably not because it would take someone like me to introduce the oil to you, teaching you the many ways you could use this oil for skincare, stress, increase immunity, protect your cells from disease and cancer.
So if you do come across a product line that you truly believe in and you use it on your clients even though they can get it from any non-professional selling it I don't see that it lessens your professionalism.
anyone with a license can walk into beauty supply shop and buy professional products of any sort even if they have no training for it specifically.
I am not saying go one way or the other just if you find a product that produces results and well liked by you and your clients do what is good for you and your clients.
Bridgette, I understand. I'm not here to sell to you. I'm not here to anything but express my opinion. Some people don't like this product. that's ok. Some of my clients don't like eminence, which I love too. We wouldn't have a bajillion product lines to choose from if one thing worked for everyone.
Robin, thank you. You expressed many of my fears starting out with Nerium as well. Quality really is a good selling point but people have to understand that quality before they buy it.
I agree with Robin. I was a consultant for the ARTISTRY SKIN CARE & Cosmetics way before becoming an Esthetician. I became an Esthetician to add value to my clients who are already using the ARTISTRY line who have been in business for over 50 years. I am constantly getting new clients from referrals of my current clients.
MLM or not, if you believe in what the products can do for you and your clients, then go ahead. In this economy if your client benefits from your products and services then follow your heart and don't listen to anyone who dont see the bigger picture.
Annabelle: I see the bigger picture just fine. There is one fatal flaw with the MLM lines: Not solely sold by professionals. That's great that you all are professionals and you know your stuff and able to help clients with it, but there are plenty of non-professionals doing just the same, who don't know anything, receive no training, no formal licensing and make recommendations about skincare. Nerium claims to be "dermatological grade" yet is sold by housewives. This doesn't bother you? The clients who like the MLM can buy it from them just the same as they can buy it from you. Bigger picture: Your profession is being equated to an Avon Lady. We didn't get these licenses, get board certified and pay thousands of dollars for training to be equated to your average Avon lady. It's obvious that MLM companies use housewives for the sales because it's a fast cheap way to make money. It's great if you sell it and it works for you but my opinion is to support companies who support us estheticians and don't sell to the general public. Who trust us to make the right decision, to help them not get sued and add value to their product by having a professional sell it. If I were Nerium, I'd be concerned about getting sued from a bad reaction, especially because anybody sells it. Makes you wonder how effective it actually is, if they are not concerned about using professionals. Just my opinion.
You are completely right Brigitte. I was in Mary Kay before becoming a student of Esthetics. I am spending thousands of dollars to become a liciensed Esty. I also have to have insurance at school (Thanks ASCP) and as a Profession (very soon) I will have to have insurance. Now with Avon or Mary Kay, or Neruium, any one can sell it, and they do not need to be a Professional Esthetician nor do they have to carry insurance. I trust the Mary Kay director to understand Mary Kay, how to sell it, and how to get that pyramid, arms, down lines, uplines started. But she knew nothing at all about true skin care. I choose to stick with Professional lines of skin care that clients can only get through me, that are designed and marketed to only Professionals. That is why I am paying thousands of dollars now, to be one of those professionals. If I wanted to remain in the MLM and sell products only, I would still be with Mary Kay.
This is an issue that I've been on both sides of. It will go on forever. Lots and lots of discussions like these on different skincare forums. I guess it's all a matter of personal choice. This is an mlm that just happens to be in skincare. They will always exist and esties will always vehemently argue both sides. isn't it great we live Ina country were we have lots of choices and independence to pursue our dreams, however we see them. I love doing facials and working on clients, but they only pay me for the work I do. I really like the idea of duplicating myself. Trading time for money never gets me ahead unless I save scrupulously and invest perfectly. I do neither very well. So I like the idea of residuals. Can't an educated esty have both? Are we that against earning a decent income? Is that why the average esty's salary is $40k. Does that make sense? I want to offer the very best to clients and simultaneously insure a good future for my family. This company allows me to do both. I am aware of both sides. I was the one aguing against mlms before. This product caused me to have a change of heart.
I overwhelmingly have to agree with Bridgette. I myself am an RN as well as an esty. When I come across products that ANYBODY can get , I equate that to buying something out of Walgreens or Walmart. It just doesn't have all of the fancy marketing money behind it sometimes. True professional grade products have higher percentages of active ingredients. These types of products are entrusted to us as estys & medical estys because of our formal educations & certifications. True professional dermalogical product manufacturers & formulators hold us to a higher level of standard & trust regarding the pecentage levels of specific active igredients because of our explicit knowledge of skincare. I don't use Nerium, oil of olay, dove (lol) etc & call myself a professional of skincare. Professional skincare products are made & formulated for use by skincare professionals not skincare consultants. Just my lil opinion.
I think this is the ONLY time I've ever seen a discussion about the pros and cons of MLMs that wasn't a big angry argument and/or full of people trying to recruit for their own sales! You guys are awesome! We all know this is something that most estheticians have strong feelings about, and it's definitely something that affects the profession. So it's really good to see it being talked about politely from both sides.
As an esthetician, I prefer professionally formulated products that are sold to estheticians only. However, I have observed professional products for sale in a local skin care store that specializes in offering professional products 'without going to an esthetician.' They have claimed in the past to have an esthetician 'on site,' but they do not use her license to purchase product. Apparently being an esthetician's landlord was enough for these companies to sell the unlicensed owner of a skin care shop professional products. My conclusion is that if 'professional only' does not really mean just that, I can see why esty's opt for MLM products. There appears to be no viable market protection either way.
Barbara Wicklund
Mar 15, 2012
Vanessa Barrientez
@Barbara. Isn't the Perfect Peel sold only to medical professionals?
Mar 15, 2012
Barbara Wicklund
Medical estheticians, RNs, Doctors..
Mar 15, 2012
Chere McCoy
You simply do NOT peel Lupus clients!
Mar 15, 2012
Yaneth De La Cruz Huges
Hi Cimberly Davis, try www.osmosisskincare.com They have organic peels. You can ask them. I like their products.
Mar 15, 2012
Yaneth De La Cruz Huges
Is there currently a product available to esthetician that can be applied topically to a suspicious site - a 'cancer' screening agent that visably reacts (either with or without a light of specific wave length as part of the skin analysis) - so that a trained medical esthetician might accurately and confidently direct and / or induce a resistant client to seek further professional help for a suspicious area?
Mar 15, 2012
Heather Capitanich
I know it's expensive to start a new business and Microdermabrasion Machines are expensive. I would save my money until I had enough saved to get what I need for the scope of practice. Patients is a virtue :) Compromising on lesser quality can be a vital mistake. I recommend the Dermafile. That is what I started out with & the clients that started with the Dermafile actually prefer it over the machine. It's a beautiful tool. Shelly Hancock of The Real Transformation Center is the local Representative in California for this tool and is who I purchased mine through. Crushed diamonds on Stainless steel in three different grades; FIne, Medium & Course. You can do body with these also. They are coming out with a new and improved Dermafile in May, I believe. Check it out, you will not be disappointed.-this really is an awesome tool to have in your toolbox!
Mar 19, 2012
Yaneth De La Cruz Huges
You can buy your own Dermafile at www.dermafile.com and register as a profesional. So you can get it for a better price!!!
Good Luck
Mar 19, 2012
Megan
Hi I am looking for a facial poster to frame in my room. If you know where I can find one please let me know - Thanks
Mar 19, 2012
Beth Davis
My Spa just purchased a BT Micro! The directions are simple enough and the video...EXTREMELY basic 3 minute demo. Does anyone have any guidance or words of advice for using this device? Can I only use it with BT products or can it be used with our product line? Thanks!
Mar 29, 2012
Tanya Gioia
Hi-
I am considering the Obagi Medical Line. I work and live at 8,000 feet. Lots of hyperpigmentation and lots of active folks. Resort community past Winter Park. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has used or is using the line now. Can email me directly tanyagioia@yahoo.com
May 30, 2012
Vanessa Barrientez
May 30, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
http://youtu.be/UHnxyXFlbqg
Jun 5, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
"Here's a fun video I did showing how facial microcurrent and oil do not mix! http://youtu.be/U18nSkEiAeI" If you have any microcurrent questions, shoot them my way. I'm always eager to help new and veteran esthies too.
Jun 14, 2012
Andrea Stein
Interesting Christine!
Jun 14, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
Jun 14, 2012
Susan Paladino
Christine I do alot of microcurrent myself and I love all your videos! Thanks so much for sharing.
Susan
Jun 15, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
Jun 15, 2012
Katrina Matos
Christine, the microcurrent and oil demo was fun, informative and brief -- perfect combo for me! Thanks for sharing. I loved your comment about your husband and the olive oil, too. LOL.
Jun 16, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
Jun 16, 2012
Deborah Kenney
Sorry for messaging you all, I got confused! Still farily new to site.
Jun 17, 2012
Yaneth De La Cruz Huges
Hi Ladys, Does anyone use Radiancy (FSD-anti-aging MicroPhototherapy) ? What do you like about it?, Does it realy work? and how much is it?
Thank you,
Yaneth
Jun 20, 2012
Casandra Ocampo
Hi Yaneth, I have been using Radiancy FSD (and also CTL, for acne) since I opened my own Treatment Room in December last year. The main improvement I have seen is that reduces redness giving a more even skin tone and “plumps” a little bit the skin reducing acne scars and enlarged pores; it doesn't work too well with hyperpigmentation though. It works much better on visible damaged skin (acne scars, sagging, fine to medium deep wrinkles, rosacea, etc.) because you and your client can see a difference and since you need to do several treatments, is easier to sell them to clients that see improvements since the first one. I like the fact that is very easy to use, there are no way you can harm the skin (which may happen with lasers), once you start with the series it takes 20-30 min. per treatment, you going to have that client coming to you twice a week for at least 4 weeks and the client feels (and sees) that she is getting more like a med-spa service with results oriented and not only a pampering facial. I think I paid for mine $3,500.00 I bought it from Shelly Hancock, you can look at her web site: Shelly Hancock Real Transformation Center. I hope this help you to make a decision. (Sorry for the spelling and/or grammar, I speak Spanish).
Jun 20, 2012
Loana Cristina Curatolo
If your client does not want to reapply sunscreen, she can buy makeup with sunscreen (lots of foundation brands are SPF 17 or higher). She can use sunglasses, scarves and hats (greater benefits if those objects are made of fabric with SPF like the swimming suits). She can use windows with UV protection and keep them closed while driving...
Jun 21, 2012
Yaneth De La Cruz Huges
Hola Casandra, I speak Spanish too. I'm from Panama. Thank you very much for the information. Chao!!!
Jun 22, 2012
Andrea Stein
Michelle have your client reapply her mineral base again just brush over what she already has. I use Jane Iredale and I am usually good all day!
Jun 23, 2012
James Mason
Couldn't she just do absolutely nothing, given that every FDA-cleared Sunscreen is supposed to give two hours of CONTINUOUS protection? If she's only using an hours' worth of protection, and assuming she doesn't sweat it off, eat it off, or let her office-mates rub it off, wouldn't she still have protection for the hour's drive home? And, frankly, if her office-mates are planning to rub it off, wouldn't that be a lot more fun than driving home immediately after the workday is over?
Jun 24, 2012
Ms. S
Uhmmm, well James she doesn't drive an hour to work,park her car then turn around and drive an hour back immediately. It's an 8 hour work day so...yeah, but thanks for using my post to rant against the FDA's use of the word continous and giving zero helpful advice of course.
Jun 24, 2012
James Mason
Michelle, I was ASKING. Jeez. Frankly, I thought the office-mate rub-off sounded like a completely elegant solution.
Jun 24, 2012
Sally Connor
James, of course, you are just kidding around. Probably good to just keep it professional here, though.
Jun 24, 2012
Wendy E. Reese
I use Radiancy's Duet Pro and I've been happy with the results. I do not use it for acne only to treat hyper-pigmentation, vascular lesions and skin rejuvenation. I think it works as well as any IPL for photo rejuvenation. Warning, the company's recommendations for settings are way to high. I went around with them on that. I would suggest contacting myself or another esthetician who has experience with the equipment to get realistic settings. I paid 14,000.00
Jun 24, 2012
Joanne Charron
my boss had ran across it while shopping at a local mall..so I went online andlooked at it...she had me and another esthy try it for a week...it smells like unripe bananas and goes on thick and dries tight...did not see any difference in my skin except clogged pores...so I am back to my Image Max which I absolutely can see a difference when I use this product..
it said online that it is the topical botox but I did not care for it...hope this helps
Jul 25, 2012
Joanne Charron
Jul 25, 2012
Joanne Charron
Jul 25, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
http://www.youtube.com/user/christinebyer/videos
Jul 25, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
Jul 25, 2012
Diane Magos
From what I have learned on the Nerium website, it is a pyramid like Mary Kay. You are right Joanne. And that is just not a good business plan for me.
Jul 26, 2012
Brigitte McDonald
Also please remember selling product like Nerium that "unlicensed professionals" also sell is not good business. How would you feel about stepping into a medi-spa that sells Avon?
Jul 26, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
Jul 26, 2012
Brigitte McDonald
Christine & Monica: I've tried Nerium myself, it smells horrible and I saw no difference except a little more "shine", the product has a yellow/shimmer color to it, which I think is helping with the brightening appearance that some people notice, like any other good makeup or skincare product has. The product also is very deceptive in the packaging. It's only like 1/2 an ounce in a huge, heavy bottle. I don't like that deception. I use Epicuren amongst other professional products and see wonderful results on my clients at a better price than Nerium AD. I don't consider my view "product snobbery" and here's why: Obviously you can sell whatever product you like but I just have an issue with them letting "whoever" sell it. Why would they choose to let "whoever" sell it? Probably has something to do with that pyramid. I think we need to set ourselves apart from MLM products. I'm sure Nerium works for some people but how is it you will keep them from buying from their neighbor and not you? How do you not know your client will become your competition next when they decide to sell it and then sell it to all her friends, family etc or any other current client that you have that she knows? For me, it's a business decision to not let your clients become your competition, not necessarily "product snobbery". You don't realize it but you are basically functioning as unpaid salesperson for Nerium.
Jul 26, 2012
Robin Lemon
I would just like to quickly input something that helped me when I chose to incorporate an MLM essential oil company into my skin therapy business. I had been using the oils for almost 2 yrs before I even became an esthetician so I already had my own testimonials. I started using some of the oils in my treatments for their great benefits to the skin and for aromatherapy. I knew I wanted to share the opportunity for my clients to purchase them as well, but I was worried about my reputation as a skin therapist building my new business and didn't want to take away from that by promoting an MLM. The transition to using and promoting the oils was way easier than I though it would be and I actually have never had to justify my decision to any client as of yet because they know the quality of the oils, they want it and they don't really seem to care how I am involved in the MLM company. Actually in this company it is referred to as an Independent Product Consultant or a wholesale member. This enables you to just purchase at wholesale prices or share it with others and earn commissions and bonuses.
What helped me was hearing the company explain why they chose the MLM business model to sell this item. They say they could have spent tons of money on marketing and advertising, but they prefer to use that money to pay people like me the commissions and bonuses to educate people on how to use these oils for wellness. an example would be: If you could just walk into a store and buy a bottle of certified pure therapeutic grade Frankincense oil for $90 would you? Probably not because it would take someone like me to introduce the oil to you, teaching you the many ways you could use this oil for skincare, stress, increase immunity, protect your cells from disease and cancer.
So if you do come across a product line that you truly believe in and you use it on your clients even though they can get it from any non-professional selling it I don't see that it lessens your professionalism.
anyone with a license can walk into beauty supply shop and buy professional products of any sort even if they have no training for it specifically.
I am not saying go one way or the other just if you find a product that produces results and well liked by you and your clients do what is good for you and your clients.
Jul 26, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
Jul 26, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
Jul 26, 2012
Annabelle Ramos
MLM or not, if you believe in what the products can do for you and your clients, then go ahead. In this economy if your client benefits from your products and services then follow your heart and don't listen to anyone who dont see the bigger picture.
Jul 26, 2012
Brigitte McDonald
Annabelle: I see the bigger picture just fine. There is one fatal flaw with the MLM lines: Not solely sold by professionals. That's great that you all are professionals and you know your stuff and able to help clients with it, but there are plenty of non-professionals doing just the same, who don't know anything, receive no training, no formal licensing and make recommendations about skincare. Nerium claims to be "dermatological grade" yet is sold by housewives. This doesn't bother you? The clients who like the MLM can buy it from them just the same as they can buy it from you. Bigger picture: Your profession is being equated to an Avon Lady. We didn't get these licenses, get board certified and pay thousands of dollars for training to be equated to your average Avon lady. It's obvious that MLM companies use housewives for the sales because it's a fast cheap way to make money. It's great if you sell it and it works for you but my opinion is to support companies who support us estheticians and don't sell to the general public. Who trust us to make the right decision, to help them not get sued and add value to their product by having a professional sell it. If I were Nerium, I'd be concerned about getting sued from a bad reaction, especially because anybody sells it. Makes you wonder how effective it actually is, if they are not concerned about using professionals. Just my opinion.
Jul 26, 2012
Diane Magos
You are completely right Brigitte. I was in Mary Kay before becoming a student of Esthetics. I am spending thousands of dollars to become a liciensed Esty. I also have to have insurance at school (Thanks ASCP) and as a Profession (very soon) I will have to have insurance. Now with Avon or Mary Kay, or Neruium, any one can sell it, and they do not need to be a Professional Esthetician nor do they have to carry insurance. I trust the Mary Kay director to understand Mary Kay, how to sell it, and how to get that pyramid, arms, down lines, uplines started. But she knew nothing at all about true skin care. I choose to stick with Professional lines of skin care that clients can only get through me, that are designed and marketed to only Professionals. That is why I am paying thousands of dollars now, to be one of those professionals. If I wanted to remain in the MLM and sell products only, I would still be with Mary Kay.
Jul 26, 2012
Christine Byer Esthetics
Jul 26, 2012
paula teal
Jul 26, 2012
Carrie Patrick
I think this is the ONLY time I've ever seen a discussion about the pros and cons of MLMs that wasn't a big angry argument and/or full of people trying to recruit for their own sales! You guys are awesome! We all know this is something that most estheticians have strong feelings about, and it's definitely something that affects the profession. So it's really good to see it being talked about politely from both sides.
Jul 27, 2012
Susan Nathan
As an esthetician, I prefer professionally formulated products that are sold to estheticians only. However, I have observed professional products for sale in a local skin care store that specializes in offering professional products 'without going to an esthetician.' They have claimed in the past to have an esthetician 'on site,' but they do not use her license to purchase product. Apparently being an esthetician's landlord was enough for these companies to sell the unlicensed owner of a skin care shop professional products. My conclusion is that if 'professional only' does not really mean just that, I can see why esty's opt for MLM products. There appears to be no viable market protection either way.
Aug 7, 2012