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Comment by Felice | SolutionsForBeauty.com on October 6, 2013 at 3:21pm

There are products with high technology which does it all.  In other words, with advanced nano technology (my product 30/100 per cell penetration) steamers have been replaced through this technology.  There just may be a product out there which requires much expertise because of the science used behind the making of it,

Here is a brand which requires little expertise and keeps the applications user friendly:

• Troubled Skin Care in 3 steps:  http://youtu.be/7qQlMsiEvoQ
• Makeup Remover, Cleanser, Peeler Treatment (removes dead skin and lifts) - 4 steps:  http://youtu.be/RF8yFD2nPnI
• Cream System:  http://youtu.be/vTE-gi4uBNs
• CompanyValues:  http://youtu.be/NCfset6cvI
• Atomy health:  http://youtu.be/Tg1C-4Y5WjA 

Comment by Linda Rabah on September 28, 2013 at 7:53pm

Well said Susanne. A LMT is able to perform facial massages except the process of a whole facial. Skin care is not about a "scrub" as massage therapy is not a "rub".  Keep simple and follow your education.

Comment by Susanne Schmaling on September 26, 2013 at 11:52am

America is the only country where esthetics and massage are separate. There are different specialties with in that framework and the two professions do cross over. As always the scope of practice for your state dictates how you can make a living. In the current education system a massage therapist does not get a focused education on the science of the skin, nor does an esthetician get a focused education on performing massage on the body.

Even though a salon/spa owner may require someone to work out of their scope it is only the licensed person who will pay the price. It is better to be safe with in your scope, not to mention liability insurance will not cover you if something happens.

Comment by Donna Eggers on September 24, 2013 at 10:49pm

The Anterior and Lateral aspects of the head and face are innervated by divisions of the Trigeminal nerve. The Posterior and Lateral aspects of the head and neck are supplied by the cervical segment. All muscles of facial expression are innervated by branches of the 7th cranial nerve. As an LMT, my palpation skills are finely honed. I know facial nerves, bones, muscles, Trigger Points, Dermatome pathways and Lymphatic pathways like the back of my hand. Properly trained in products and protocols why would an LMT not be qualified to do a facial???? I feel that my knowledge and understanding of Anatomy and Physiology has had a huge impact on the way I practice and has had an even greater effect on the results I achieve. Yes, I am dually licensed as an LMT and an Aesthetician, however as an LMT (20 years), I am licensed, Nationally board certified and qualified to do facials. Any business per say, that employees a massage Therapist is required to obtain an Establishment license. In Florida the educational requirements are the same as in New York 1200 hours and 600 hours respectively.  

Comment by Dennis H'Avila on September 18, 2013 at 8:17pm

Well I'm a Massage Therapist & Aesthetician. Its sad to say many spa owners or individual's practice on the grey line.  I have been practicing massage for over 12 years, 8-10yrs have been within the sports & medical field. In the last 4 years I have gotten a chance to work in the spa industry when I got my Aesthetic license. I saw how they would mix & offer services between LMT & Estheticians. I can only say that in New York, LMT have almost double the hours & education (1200 hours) than Aesthetician's (600Hrs). As massage therapist we are allowed to apply any product that will help in circulation on the skin, so that's the grey line when they do a facial (light scrubbing & adding creams etc.). Also massage therapist can do sugar scrubs & mud wraps which also falls on a grey line. & that's why an Aesthetician can perform a Swedish (light massage) when they are doing body scrubs or mud wraps. You need to check the guidelines in your state.

 

Comment by Kelly VanMeter on September 17, 2013 at 8:28pm

This is terrible. This is like spas having estheticians perform massage therapy. I can't stand that. I had to go to hell and back to get my former boss to let not do massages anymore. Ridiculous!! Definitely something to look into.

Comment by Cindy Greenwood on September 16, 2013 at 5:52am

They are "able" to do them, but are not licensed to do them.

Some places get around this by calling it a cleansing massage or something else...but it's still a facial.

I don't know that your state board would or could investigate an iindividual, but in the states that require a business/facility license as well, might be worth a look to them.