Lactic Peel reactions
Hi All,
I am pretty good with chemical peels, enzyme peels ect. Truth is I had never used the lactic peel before, and the spa I work for ordered it. I had been reading wonderful things about it, so I decided to use it on my best friend, who has had all the possible things I can put on her skin, with no problems at all. Well, she had a bad break out, about a week after. Small pimples everywhere.
So I decided to never use it again. However, after so so so many good reviews about it, I came up with the conclusion that I probably did something wrong. So, last week here I am again, following every single step of the protocol, and a week later same result-irritation.
Has anyone had problems with the peel? Any suggestions, or any idea of what could be the problem?
Thanks,
Maria
Tags: chemical, lactic, peel, peels
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Permalink Reply by Cindy Greenwood on
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Anytime you have an issue with a product the best place to discuss it is with your vendor rep.
FWIW - the lactic peels that I have used from pro skin care companies have been safe and effective for everyone. Your friend may have had any number of problems - but without knowing her skin and history, and without knowing the company, your protocol and % peel I don't have enough info to make suggestions.
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Permalink Reply by maria mihaylova on
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Thank you for your reply. This is the thing, that everybody I talk to have nothing but good things to say about the peel, and other clients have used it in the spa (not with me) and there are no complains. I will do a good research about it and if I find anything that has to be considered I will post it here.
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Permalink Reply by Sheila Gordon on
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How long did you leave it on? What type of homecare does she have? I have seen red/rash like symptoms with Lactic but only when left on for a bit too long. Just a thought. I love lactic for myself personally! She may have an allergy?
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Sheila, just wanted to drop a quick note, because I am not sure if you followed the thread further. Well, you right, the very short version of the story is that I didn't neutralize the peel, which made it stay too long on the skin. It really is a long story, that includes me confusing the neutralizer with the toner, other esthetician switching them (not on purpose), me not paying better attention, etc, but bottom line is, I got the reaction because the peel was left too long.
Once again, thank you very much for your help!
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So, here is what I found out, after reading, talking to my teacher, reading your posts, and talking to two dermatologists, both from Europe (not that they are better, they just answer the phone to respond to questions). First of all, there is this 1% lucky people that are allergic to the peel. But also, for elastic skin types, it is not recommended to be an add-on peel in a facial, or it has to be in a long facial. Reason is that since the steamer opens the pores, and they are open for about 20 minutes. So, if one apply the peel in these 20 min the molecula of the peel gets deeper, works more, and it ends up having a function not expected with lactic peel. It is not bad, it just not what this peel is meant to do. In my case, both were allergic. Lucky me:) Hope you guys are doing good.
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Hmmm interesting.. I think it's more to do with allergy than anything. Pores don't open and close... The simply soften and maybe makes more sense that the steam is stimulating and so is the peel. I personally have steamed with a lactic peel on my own face without issues. The lactic is the largest molecule. Did either client have lactose issues? Also which peel are you using and do you know the ph?
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It is Skin Laboratory 35% gel-level one,which is really the lightest peel I have put my hands on. This size of the molecule being the largest one, makes the acid the "gentle" one. That is why with steaming the face it actually penetrates deeper and in elastic skin types has stronger effect, not worst, just stronger, because they have less adipose tissue. Or at least that's what I was told. It kinda made sense, the way I understood it was that It is almost like when you go to the steam room and you put lotion on, and it just disappears in minutes. In my country, people would take pure honey to the steam room or sauna, apply it all over their body, and in about 15 minutes it's soaked in. Leaves the skin velvety smooth.
And of course the allergic reactions, which I seem to attract. Having a lactose issue does not have anything to do with the lactic peel, because lactose intolerance is the inability of the digestive system to break down lactose, mostly based on the enzymes-amino acid (part of protein) relation. That I know, I have been studying it for 5 years now:)
I did talk to several estheticians, and everybody seem to like the peel a lot, including some friends that have had it done. I have seen such beautiful results on the skin with lactic peel, that I really hope to get over the two allergic reactions, and start using it again :) If I hear anything else I will post it here, and if you ever come across news, pleas let me know.
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I don't use steam with any peel - only with enzymes.
That peel is available off the internet to anyone - and 35% is NOT a light peel.
With these peel pimps you can't be sure if you are getting industrial ingredients or not.
If you are a licensed esthetician then I can only reccomend sticking to reliable legitimate vendors.
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Do you have the MSDS for this peel?
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You are right Cindy, this is not a light peel, but it is the lightest I have work with, and having that drama with the reactions is so frustrating. And I know it can be find on internet, almost everything can be find on there, that's how I get clients all the time that have damaged their skin badly. I work on the weekend at the most famous spa in houston, we get inspected more times than you can think of, and the desire to sue the spa is higher than you can imagine. that is why everything, including the vendors, is strictly legitimate. And seems like everybody loves the peel, it was me the "lucky" one with the allergic reactions, which by the way are completely gone. I will try out different lactics, so I can suggest something better. Thank you!
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If your spa is buying these and the ph and % is not within your scope of practice (and if this is the LIGHTEST peel they have then I suspect that is the case) then you could be looking at a boatload of trouble. Spa is also require to have the MSDS on every product - which I doubt has been provided.
Doesn't sound like they offer very good training either if you have to try out peels on friends.
And the LIABILITY! This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Don't they have a legitimate Retail line? THOSE are the peels you should be looking at.
This whole situation sounds suspicious.
Professionals do NOT buy that crap on the internet. We buy real professional products backed by legitimate suppliers.
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Cindy, I hope this message finds you well. I usually don't get beyond the main theme in conversations, but I feel I have to do so this time. Once again, I am very thankful for the replies on the subject of lactic peel reactions, but since you took it just a little beyond, your the negative assumptions could be damaging to a business that has done nothing, but been good to its employees and clients.
I am a nurse, soon with a masters degree (if I don't go crazy and quit), and I have worked in med offices. I never said that my experience with stronger peels (i will avoid the use of words in capital letters) is at the spa, where I used the lactic peel for the first time. That spa is my weekend job, and yes, I am a licensed esthetician too. And before it sounds suspicious, why with my education and work experience, I have to work at a spa, let me clarify that I need the money-long sad story, but very inspirational (almost good for a book).
Not only there is a safety data sheet, not only we had a training, which I attended and in which there was no reaction at all to the person's skin, but we also have to have a minimum of 5 practical on employees before we do a service (any) on a client. My friend, the one with the reaction, happens to be a massage therapist there, thus she is an employee of the spa. In fact, we have trainings every month.
I am surprised that you are unaware that reputable companies such as Obagi, Image, and others have their strongest peels for sale on the internet, without license requirements. Yonka, the excellent line used at that spa, does a very intensive job in controlling the flow of their products even on ebay, and they don't even knowing how the products got there to begin with. I have had long conversations with their rep John (RIP) about how that has an impact on their relationship with spas and estheticians. The first time I had a client (patient) who had self treated herself with the blue peel, which she got from the internet without a license, was in 2003.
This peel is used at the spa on daily basis, without any complains, which made me think that I could be the one doing something wrong. Thit is the reason of why I seek answers anywhere I believe there are more experienced people, like you, with the lactic peel, who can give me more advice or suggestions, or who had probably had similar situation, and already know the answer. I am eager to continue improving every day in my profession as an eshtetician!
My point is, it is the reaction on my friend's face that brought me here, since no one of the other 4 estheticians at the spa had experienced before. We all are reading the answers to my question, because all of us want to know how a peel (regardless of where it was purchased) can work wonders on everybody else, but on Teo (my friend). I understand, that I probably gave a miss-leading explanation to begin with, but I felt like I had to stand behind a work place, which is exemplary in the conducting their business.
Once again, I THANK YOU, and the others, very much for taking out of your time and sharing your knowledge with me (us) on this matter.
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