PLEASE Help CA Estheticians to Keep Treating Acne!
The California State Board of Barbering and Cosmetology has changed the wording in their regulations that would make it illegal for estheticians to perform services on anyone with acne. We are mounting a challenge to this, but NEED your support. The timing of this is critical, so please sign our petition today. Thanks in advance for helping us to keep doing what we love and helping people.
Anyone can sign this petition. If you are not from California, sign it anyway. Remember, California tends to lead the way for other states to do the same. We need to stop this now.
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Comment by Marty Glenn on September 21, 2014 at 11:17pm
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Laura, ;) Please post literature and pictures that state acne grade I - IV and or the other scale I - VI where what I posted are NOT on the scale. Or do you have another scale? I only know of two different scales and I go by the scale I - IV. If you provide what I have asked it will be the first to me and I look forward to seeing and the education it will provide.
Both the scales I mention are ones used by Dr.s and also mentioned within medical and chemical peel text books from inside and outside the United States. Why would they not include the most extreme types of scales on an Acne Grade scale?
That makes no sense to me. On your scale (Which do you use?) you exclude the types of medical acne that an estie should not touch? How would they know what not to touch unless it was referenced on a scale with pictures to reference it. I am confused, sorry.
NBSkinCare... your very entrepreneurial. Either way your advancing further ahead of most 3 year esties.
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Comment by Nondy Llewellyn on September 21, 2014 at 8:25pm
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The pics you show here, compared with those from UCSF, here http://www.dermatology.ucsf.edu/education_training/140.01ClinicalDe... would tend to be different. I do encourage clients to go to their physician to get a culture of their skin to rule out staph (which I would strongly wonder is what I am seeing in the pics you show) if I suspect it.
I want SB to not mention grades at all. Yes, extra training is necessary to care for special skin care such as these. Please understand I don't need to be told by anyone that my work is good. I only need my clients to experience for the first time in their lives, success and clearing, yes, even after going to the hallowed halls of modern medicine, which didn't help at all. Our work is there for everyone to see. I don't mind your attempt to minimize what I do. I am used to being underestimated. But my clients are loyal, and my biggest cheerleaders, and for that, I am truly grateful.
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Comment by Laura Cooksey on September 21, 2014 at 8:15pm
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Sorry Marty, the pictures you posted are not grades III and IV acne - they are beyond that. The first picture is acne conglobata. I don't know what the second picture is - doesn't even look like acne to me. The third picture looks like a staph infection to me and the fourth picture is acne necrotica. All of these conditions are obviously beyond the scope of an esthetician and should be referred to a medical doctor asap. But, they are not grades III and IV acne.
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Comment by NBSkinCare on September 21, 2014 at 7:32pm
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While I appreciate the comments, Marty, I would definitely consider myself a newbie. But I've taken the time to get education from great companies and others who are NOT newbies.
I've only been licensed barely 3 years. :)I can understand that everyone's scale may be off, though. And that needs to be a consideration when SB makes rules. It can't be left open to interpretation.
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I watched the video where you said and here is the exact statement at 1:14:11:
With regards to working on acne, they are not suppose to...
What the SB is doing is broad stroking this. The girl who actually asked the question which brought the above comment is a nail tech I think. It appears the SB left out and is failing miserably at outlining exactly what an estie can or cannot do and following through with wording and guidelines that fit the bill.
I would like to add this:
When the SB writes language like this, it looks and sounds to me like they are only doing for the public safety so that if there is a problem the laws protect the public against an industry that is almost impossible to police. The one off situations if you will, certainly not against the esties who educate themselves and get the proper training to actually do some good. (i.e. the esties who are posting on this thread.)
For the wording to make sense the estie and or client would have to have before and after pictures to prove one point or another. You cannot expect the SB to actually admit that the line between estie and MD has been crossed do you?
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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I do not think we are all looking at this with the same grading scale. :)
Allow me to post a few pictures taken right from the web to make my point.
The before and after pictures here are acne grade II. They are great results. Both show limited cystic acne and the first is a huge picker, so just her stopping the picking would show great improvement but not taking away from any of these before and afters, they are great. I am not the before and after acne cop. LOL
They are exactly what I would expect from an estie taking the time to keep their clients off the over the counter products and on a chemical peel and facial program. An estie with that type of experience. NBSkinCare, you are everything BUT a newbie...Exactly what I would expect from this type of acne from you!!! Seriously, you would even look at yourself and comment on my post. :) Come'on, you own your own salon and spa. Your so ahead of the word 'Newbie' its a joke and I feel this is what the SB is talking to: Newbies
They have to, since the majority of esties who enter this field, I would say over half never even get to chemical peels or even leave it entirely because they think it was going to be something else or they cannot make a living at it.
Take a look at the pictures I took from the web. These are Grade III and IV and I am sure most on this board have never seen this type of acne. Most of the time these people never the leave the house and I said are devastated with no life and no self-esteem.
Can anybody in this argument show me these types of before pictures with afters that were cured with topical products and a few chemical peels?
I do agree that Dr's reach for the pad way too soon. I agree. But I think what the SB is saying is that there are few too many young and new esties trying to play Dr and its causing a problem and the esties who are qualified are the ones who are getting hurt. I would also like to add that when I have educated and spoke to esties on Acne Grades I - IV, many think they are treating Acne III and IV because they have NEVER seen REAL acne grade III and IV. But when I show pictures like this most have an eye opening experience.
Like I said Acne Grade III and IV do not leave the house.
A note on Accutane: It has been proven that accutane when taken in lower doses (even more so with higher doese) is a critical help to acne grades III and IV. It has also been proven that it is NOT the length of time but the AMOUNT of accutane taken daily that is the problem. This literature and research is available outside the United States and limited inside the United States. I am not sure why, but that is the research I have seen.
I stand firm on MY OPINION that the SB is doing the right thing based on a true acne grade scale of I - IV. This is the 80/20 rule. 20% of the esties in the world can and do work at the level most Drs should but dont, while the 80% of the esties are either to new, to un educated or ? but the governing body must rule for the 80% and that is where feathers get ruffled.
Only last point I would like to make is I have never had a topic cause such emotion other then acne. Never! When I educate or talk this subject 100% of the time creates emotion and god help me if I mention the word 'Accutane'.
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
P.S. All 'CAPS' is only shouting when your arguing, I was not. It was to make something stand out. I will use bold next time, all the time, but not differentiate between what is more or less important.
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If I had to guess, I'd suppose the self esteem of these clients actually improved after being in our care...
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or this poor client, who did see a Derm whose treatments made him more red, peel-y, and sensitive from the Retin A, that the Dr said next step was Accutane... so Dangerous!
Should I have sent him BACK to the Dr...
No, instead I cleared him (topically) in about 3-4 months. One of MANY clients who tried the Dr, Dr couldn't care less or didn't know a way to actually help...
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Of course she came to me after going to several dermatologists who put her on oral and topical antibiotics, and just before deciding to go on isotretinoin (I think I spelled that right)...
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Of course, not being a physician, I have no clue what grade of acne my client had, but this is her before and after photos. Any questions?
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