Penetration to the subcutaneous layer
Hi all,
A neighbor of mine sells Protandium (made by Life Vantage corp) and their skincare product (1) is called True Science. She says it penetrates to the subcutaneous layer where the bottom of wrinkles exist. I don't recall hearing in school that products can penetrate this far down. Was I sleeping? Is this correct? Comments please.
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Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on
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Amy
Go to skincarescience.com and register. I will do the rest. If you read my posts, that is what I stand for and what I believe. Maybe that is the same as you... We will see. :))
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Permalink Reply by Nina on
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Madagascan Water lily, Bamboo and Lotus Extracts, Chrono-Purity Zinc Spheres, P-refiner Technology, Pure Oxygenating Complex.
Anyone ever heard of these ingredients/ know what they are? "chrono-purity zinc spheres"??? "p-refiner technology"? It's from a line called "Decleor", I was checking out this oxygen serum fluid I came across, it sounded interesting; and the ingredients 'sound' great but I'm thinking I never even heard of them?? But just because I haven't heard of anything like this doesn't mean for sure that it doesn't really exsist so I figured I'd just ask my fellow friends here; Anyone have any ideas? Fake/true? Good/ bad?
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Nina
Your getting caught up in the white noise of the mfgr side of skin care.
Ok.....
I will try to explain and I hope your a believer because this will make your life a whole lot easier.
Ready?
An Ingredient lab, a skin care mfgr and/ or a skin care line CAN make up an ingredient and as long as it follows FDA guide lines they can call it what ever they like AND trademark the name.
Those names are just that...
Stick with simple and time tested ingredients at the percentages that are PROVEN to work and live you life and treat your clients. :))
Your going to drive yourself crazy...
Does Vitamin A Emollient sound exciting? No I didn't think so. But 'p-refiner technology does!!!
Now which one are you going to buy? Mine: Vitamin A Emollient (7% Active) or 'p-refiner technology' (1%) and the p-Refiner technology is made up of:
This ingredient (.03%)
That ingredient (.04%)
Other Ingredient (.03%)
But they wont tell you what they are.
I hope this makes sense...
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Lol, it makes perfect sense. Everything you just told me, is what I had suspected. But, I just had to double check. Where these things aren't the only things that matter, I will always be overly interested in them no matter what, it's what drove me to this field and allowed me to discover all of the other glorious parts of it in the first place, and I'll always want to learn more, I'd say I should just become a chemist or something, but, people love my handwork too much, and I love love actually performing the treatments way too much. I just feel like if there's one place to express my curiosity and interest in a topic like this, it's here. So don't worry, I'm not getting up caught up in the white noise;) lol, I'm just a skincare ingredient nerd. and thanks again for the information. At this point, you should just be my professional skincare consultant. But being how I am, I still want to see everything I can first. And the big beauty show in Philly is coming up in 2 weeks! So excited!
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Nina
Its all good. Just don't take anything personally but you keep going on your path. I am sure it will lead somewhere great.
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Permalink Reply by Samantha Maline on
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I agree with Marty on the manufacturer white noise.
However, I've used Decleor Paris on myself and clients for the past four years and I really love it. It's not heavy on acids or chemicals but it is on botanicals. I call it "skin food" and paired with a clinical line it works fantastically to create glowing radiant skin.
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Amy, well its good to hear from someone else who has shared a similar experience, and yes I do agree many natural ingredients can be irritating too, especially many essential oils, "algae" is known to be very irritating, and it's in many natural products. And many non-chemical ingredients are not irritating. The best we can do is keep doing our research, and yes pick and choose. Its good because we can relate to our clients who are currently struggling what we went through, It makes us sensitive towards them, and what they are going through, and we kind of form this bond, and the fact that we have been able to overcome the problem already is very guiding and trustworthy. Its good to be cautious about what we are putting on acneic skin types, rather than just slapping strong peels and whatever they deem "targets acne"; like the Esthetician who put the 70% Glycolic peel on you (my god). Just like you, I went to extreme lengths to find a solution as well, I had horrible break outs, and went to all kinds of different dermatologists to be prescribed "Retinol", "10% Benzyl Peroxide", things that just dried my skin out and irritated it. After I went my own way and finally found a way to treat the acne on my skin, and thought I had finally won, I still experienced more sensitivity long after due to internal health issues I had going on, rashes and horrific allergic reactions, so I then had to work on de-sensitizing it, along with internal remedies, which I did have success with. However, even to this day, my skin is STILL sensitive, except I have found a way to keep the sensitivity under control, I no longer have any acne, but I still have to be very careful with what I put on my skin otherwise my pores will clog or I will experience a break out, or minor allergic reaction. But you know what, I look at the battle with my skin, as a gift in disguise. It gave me passion, it led us to our passion. Out of curiosity, I'm interested to hear from another Esthetician who has gone through such a similar experience I have, what did you find that worked/works for you?
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Permalink Reply by Amy Sherman on
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It is going to sound totally crazy. I too found out later that I had many food allergies, but during this process, and about three years before I became an Esty, I found a cheap book at a resale book store here in town. It was called "facelift at your fingertips" and it had you create this concoction and do a facial massage. Well, I started doing it on my mom and her skin GLOWED. So, I did it to myself. Within a week my skin cleared up. I get all kinds of people who laugh at me. I used safflower oil, a couple of drops of chamomile, and some juice from one purple grape. That was it. Massaged it in twice a day, removed the excess. I didn't even "cleanse" my face. It cleared up almost immediately.
Now, I have issues with melisma from the baby and acne from the thyroid disorder and am all puffy and weird looking. lol but my skin glows!
I am trying to find a line or a product that is NOT filled with chemicals and is pared down to the minimum and you just add different essential oils or blends or something to make them work for different things. I used to love Bioelements but they have a thousand different products. ugh! I also am tired of stuff that doesn't wipe off very easily. I hate that! I get more clients that are so relieved when I tell them about my own battle. :D What worked for you?
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Pregnancy seriously messed me up too! Ugh... I'm still recovering. That's what happens when you have a baby later on...
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Yes, me too, many of my outbreaks came from hormonal changes, I did not have a baby, yet, but I have experienced major hormone imbalance, as well as a health issue dealing with inflammation, crazy how this can effect your skin but I must say internal health goes hand in hand with what we are doing with our skin. Internally, I bought a holistic pH alkalizing formula called "Celect" from NCRF.org; all I can say about it is "wow". It's not about one of those shakes based on marketing here, its about real healthy solutions; this really helped my body balance itself out and heal which helped my skin heal. I would talk about it more here but there's just too much to it.
What I found worked for my skin externally...well for break outs, and even just general sensitivity, I researched and studied "comedogecity" I went as far back as the "journal of chemists" to see what they came up with (the original test); and looked at websites containing legit information on comedogenic ratings of ingredients such as: http://www.beautymagonline.com/beauty-articles-4/1084-comedogenic-e...
And also Roccoco.com had very interesting information, picked up info from my text book even etc etc...and first I looked for a cleanser that did not contain comedogenic and irritating ingredients; I did it the very time consuming way( but learned a lot) compared all of the ingredients in the cleansers I chose, to the comedogenic lists to see what to cancel out; taking in the fact that the first 8/9 ingredients are what really count, its funny because so many derms say "Cetaphil" is so good for acne because its gentle and non comedogenic, it's not at all! It contains horrible ingredients. Now believe it or not, all of natural cleansers I've found so far, were cancelled out for everyday use due to too many essential oils or too harsh ingredients, but Cetaphil has a distant cousin called "Cerave"; the foaming one, it's not the same company but it's along the lines of Cetaphil; "a gentle cleanser you can get from your local drug store"; difference is the ingredients. I never would have expected to find a cleanser that actually has effective and so many non-natural ingredients I totally approve of in a drug store, but Cerave did it for me. It has Hyaluronic acid, and ceramides, and niacinmide, meant to heal and protect the skin barrier with only 2 moderately comedogenic ingredients used towards the end of the list indicating that a very low percentage of these ingredient were used. I will never use another cleanser until I find one that blows this one out of the water. Believe it or not, I recommend this cleanser to a lot of my clients, and I've only gotten good good good feedback from them. I started using this cleanser to wash my face twice a day everyday. To find out that for sensitive skin like mine, washing your face two times a day can actually be too much. Not because of the product your using, but because of the water! The water from our sinks can be very very drying, containing all these chemicals in it; and I think this topic should be discussed more frequently. I started cleansing my face once a day. Eventually, I invested in a water-purifier for my sink, for clean drinking water purposes; but I started using it to wash my face once as well. And I saw a huge difference after all of this. I still get a little bit of congestion though, not visible congestion, but it's there. So what I did to help this situation a little bit was...I started "double cleansing" 2 times a week with the "Oxygen Revitalizing" cleanser from the botanical private label skincare company I use and love, for the most part. What I mean by double cleansing is..I use the oxygen cleanser first, sometimesss with my clarisonic brush, and then my Cerave cleanser afterwards, only 2x a week no more. The oxygen cleanser is great, but I believe its just too much to use an everyday cleanser. This helped even more. I would also use "high frequency or a hand held LED light therapy device" on my skin, I'd zap only the bad broken out areas on my skin with the high frequency once a week; and I would go over my whole face with the blue led light about 2 or 3x a week (the hand held device I have is not very strong; it's actually meant to be used 3-5 times a week). This worked great. I don't use the high frequency on myself anymore, don't feel I need it, and I would like to give myself more time to start doing the led therapy again; just because it helps for a healthy glow overall. As a facial mask, after steam, I discovered natural "Bentonite Clay"; a m a z i n g stuff. It's meant to deep cleanse the pores and pull out all the toxins, it's also ingest-able, it comes in powder form and you can make a drink with it that has over several benefits for the body, here I will send you a link it might interest you; http://wellnessmama.com/5915/the-benefits-of-healing-clays/
Once a week, I mixed the 100% pure bentonite clay I actually purchased from Amazon, with a small amount of "Apple Cider Vinegar" (another secret of amazing natural healing powers) which is supposed to help activate it; and some distilled water; and put it on as a face mask for about 10 minutes; except since it can make your skin very very tight, so I sat infront of my steamer using 'cool steam' to keep it from drying my skin out too much. And sometimess when my skin would be on the more dry or irritated side, I would mix in "Cucumber Extract & pure "Manuka Honey" with a UMK of 10, which is also really good for acne and irritations; big anti-bacterial and inflammatory effect, and sometimes nowadays I even like using the Manuka Honey alone depending on how sensitive my skin is due to internal stresses. I so happen to use Manuka honey from a line called "Plantagon". There are other ways to prevent it from drying too much like adding oils and whatnot, as well but I found this the most efficient, simple, easy way. I also personally try to stay away from too many essential oils although I know many are good, but some of them can cause allergic reactions, some of them HAVE causes bad reactions for me, and sometimes there's really no telling with that what kind of reaction your going to have to what oil...but I do lean in towards the "extracts", because not all, but many are known to be both non-pore clogging, and more gentle than the actual essential oils. What I put on my skin after I clean it....I tried both plain "Hyaluronic acid" and the "Complex C Serum" from my private label company; and I loved both of them, but the complex c serum has both Vitamin C, & Hyaluronic acid in it, and I found it to be more hydrating overall, so when I am more dry during seasonal change, I would use this; when I am more normal or oily during the summer, I use a plain Hyaluronic acid serum; makes my skin feel and look great, even toned and hydrated; and its light enough to not clog my pores or cause break outs. I am a huggge fan of Hyaluronic acid, as you can probably already tell. Its good for all skin types and even gives you anti-aging benefits. I do not feel the need to use a toner anymore; but I was using a Witch-hazel extract and cucumber extract to tone, when my skin was really bad & I found that to be very effective. I plan to continue using these remedies on my clients as well, but I'm always interested in learning about & finding more remedies and solutions.
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Oh and I forgot to mention...for exfoliation...we both know exfoliation can be hard with sensitive skin types whether it be sensitivity from acne or whatever; I use pumpkin & papaya enzymes to exfoliate. I so happen to use a 'soft papaya & pumpkin Masque' I love from my private label company (Botanical Science); but you can find pumpkin & papaya enzymes elsewhere as well if you don't plan to use this company. I find these kind of enzymes to be gentle enough for my skin, but truly effective in taking off all the dead skin cells & dirt, softening my skin. I also used it to soften & prep my skin for a few blackhead extractions I'd need to do, and with a little steam, I was wowed. I first started using it because I found that peels were just too much, too strong, and that the beads in exfoliants would just spread whatever I had going on around. So a gentle enzyme mask once or twice a week, was just right. And it's still right; This is my little "glowing" tool.
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