Mendalic Acid after microderm
Does anyone know about using mendalic acid after microderm? Just informed that it was the best acid to use after microderm. If you have any info about it please let me know, Also what the percentage. Thank you, Sara
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Permalink Reply by Marty Glenn on
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Sara
This might not answer your question directly but might help from another angle. Microdermabrasion uses a man-made machine [ could have been a women ;) ] and women-made pressure to remove layers of the stratum corneum (SC). There is NO WAY for you to know exactly how many layers you are removing of the SC and on the face where you are leaving it thinker or thinner. So one pass could actually create a wave pattern if you will across the face. With that said you should always use a post peel kit, the same as you might use with a chemical peel, after micro since they both do the same and reduce the SC and increase sensitivity of the skin.
Now on to your additional acid...
Mendalic acid might be gentler and you did not state the percentage or the pH so I have no idea of knowing just how strong or weak it is (do you know?), but, here is my question and this might answer yours:
If you truly do NOT know how much of the SC you removed with micro then how do you know how much or how long to leave on the Mendalic Acid and further more once you have done this, how sure are you that you have gone as deep as you want and also how do you know your client can handle a complex combination procedure like the one you describe?
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Permalink Reply by Sara West on
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Thanks Marty, I appreciate you taking the time. I've been using microderm and glycolic aside 40% and 35% and lactic acid 20% after micro for a while! just a few days ago someone told me that they use mendalic acid 20% after the micro so I was just checking if anyone else used the mendalic acid after micro. But acid after microderm create amazing results.
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Permalink Reply by Tammy Brown on
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Sara
Actually what your doing is creating a deeper peel, maybe TCA would work for you as well. Great...
Your question did not say experience level but all good. Glad to have given some points.
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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I've been an esthetician 14 years, seen everything but alway like to take people suggestions because everybody does it different. About the peel, yes, that's my goal, deeper peel for smoother skin. For chemical peel I'd Alpha, Beta Hydroxy Acid, they peel for 3 days with great results.
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Sara
They peel for 3 days? Can you explain this?
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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yes of course. Alpha and Beta hydroxy acid that I get from Dermalure, it's on a chemical level percentage wise, you simply apply it on the skin all over, not twice in the same place, only once,you wait about 5 minutes, you apply it second time, and up to 5 layers if you want very strong peel, they also come in light, medium and strong, and you apply it after extractions and send them home with it, they have to take it off after 5 hour. their skin will be red or pinkish, for 3 days and than for 3 days they peel and than they look amazing with new amazing skin. If you're interested I'll hook you up. The cost for chemical peel is $150 and people love it. they can do it every month. Nice income for you.
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Permalink Reply by Brittnee on
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Hi Sara, I've had a Perfect peel and done it on clients as well. When you say 150, were you saying it costs 150 per peel or for the box? I spoke with someone from the office n in Sarasota where they "manufacture" it, and they quoted more for one box. Also as far as microderm and chemical peel I've herd it done both ways. One saying you have to use an aha (lactic, sal, or glycolic before microderm to help loosen the S.C. Ive also been taught you do it after a microderm because it helps the peel or aha penetrate better. One of my personal favs is liquid enzyme peel.
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Sara
OK. ;)
This is a response to you but more importantly to the newbies...
The 'Red Carpet Peel' the 'Vi Peel' and the 'Perfect Peel' are all of the same nature. The two partners from Vi Peel broke apart and one stayed with Vi Peel and the other started Perfect Peel. Dermalure saw the market and has now come out with a copy called the Red Carpet Peel. The reason I say this first is just a little background for the following:
The peel you are describing is that peel, right? The Red Carpet Peel! Because an AHA peel cannot continue to peel for 3 days. An AHA is time dependent and normally there is enough hydration within the skin to neutralize an AHA peel within just a few hours. And if you are using an AHA, you should never neutralize with water, always use a salt based liquid to cause a chemical reaction to neutralize the acid and NOT just dilute it.
But with this peel you are talking about, the percentages/ingredients are a mystery and these companies keep it that for good reason, but I have researched them and it is the TCA and mainly the resorcinol that makes it behave the way it does very much like a Jessner. So what you have are two COAT dependent acids that are left on the skin and are NOT time dependent so that is how the companies do the whole MARKETING thing with the go home and all that.
I have always felt it is very risky to sell a peel that you DO NOT know the percentages and pH since those are the primary attributes which can give you an indication on how deep the peel is going to penetrate based on if it is TIME or COAT dependent.
Dermalure also sells a few chemical peels in the AHA range with pH's that are chemically not possible. Its not that big of a deal but a 20% AHA in an aqua solution cannot have a pH of 1.6. The lowest is 2.0. That is not that big of a deal at all. What this is says is that they added another acid to the formula to get the pH down and although there is nothing wrong with that at all but then your peeling with other acids and NOT just the AHA and that goes against my philosophy. Again, nothing wrong with what they are doing just different ideas about what is right/wrong.
I know the details of the Red Carpet peel and the others because I was going to make one under the brand 'Luminous Peel' ( I own the domain name www.luminouspeel.com ) but decided against it for personal reasons.
I do think the reputation of these products speaks for themselves and most of the time get great results. Again this post was more for the newbies but I hope you take something from it as well.
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Permalink Reply by Robin McDonald on
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What's wrong with good old Jessner?
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Robin
Nothing:
But I am sure the experience with Resorcinol is not there so most esties use combination microderm and glycolic or other to get the result. TCA is my favorite at 5% and 10% over Jessner 7% or 14%.
TCA allows for more control of the peel and the client reaction when they leave the procedure room. My $.02
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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Marty,
Thank you for your knowledge of this constantly arising question. I find that estheticians really feel like they need to do the double exfoliation, myself included, but this information has been extremely helpful.
I have two questions, what do you find is the most productive form of exfoliation? and what would be a salt based liquid?
Thank you,
Lisa Savage
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Lisa
TCA is the best in my opinion. Its a single acid exfoliate and the strongest for an esthetician to use.
Salt based liquid is a neutralizer for an acid. I am not sure exactly what the question is. ;)
Marty
SkinCareScience.com
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