MLM companies
Anyone else SICK AND TIRED of setting up at an event where there are millions of MLM skin care and cosmetic companies? Sorry, had to vent about this. At my recent event, there was a NuSkin and Mary Kay consultant. The NuSkin woman came by my table and says what do you have? I said I am a skin care spa blah blah. She goes oh I can't be by you. The the Mary Kay lady asked the same thing and her response was the same. I said well I actually do facials not just sell product...she goes, yeah so do I. WHAT?
What bothers me is people who are not trained properly can consult people and tell them what products are best for their skin and they can apply product and do treatments as well. An arbonne rep told me once that hormonal acne can be treated with their products. Really? and all this time I thought you had to get the hormones under control to truly treat it. Am I wrong?
Makes me so angry! Thanks for letting me vent.
Does anyone else feel aggravated? If I hear, no this company is back by SCIENCE, one more time, I feel like screaming.
Are any of the MLM companies good products????
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Permalink Reply by Emilie Spruill on
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Jodi, I completely agree with you about the exfoliation. Exfoliation slows down as we age, and by manually or chemically exfoliating, we can reduce the visible signs of aging. And you're right also about how some exfoliation such as chemical peels can trigger the skin to create new skin cells, also leading to a younger looking appearance.
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Permalink Reply by Abram Herman on
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Whether their products are good or not, I find the MLMer's marketing so aggressive as to be quite off-putting. I moderate the Associate Skin Care Professionals (ASCP) LinkedIn group, and it's a constant battle to keep the advertising spam under control! The other day someone made a post very similar to this one, complaining about the MLMs--and an MLM responded with their contact info to try and recruit them as a rep!! Kind of funny, but it also gets annoying :-)
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Permalink Reply by Diane Magos on
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Abram, thanks for your voice here. It is annoying for the MLMs to be on Skincare Professionals. I am still a student at a very nice Esthetician School in NC. I have paid my insurance with ASCP, required to carry it at school. I am looking forward to joining ( I will be getting my License) and working this wonderful world of Professonial Skin Care that so many true professionals on here are working and dedicated to. We are different. We have or we are taking the steps of learning the skin, how and why it functions like it does. (The science that we all have to take). We learn how to look at the skin to determine the skin type and conditions of skin, We also study intensively Product Ingredients, to be able to make good sound choices for the skin of the clients. Or electricity classes we need to be able to use our machines in the right way and many other classes we take to help us in our career. I for one, do not take my classes or this profession lightly. Yes we all want to make money, but for Professional Skin Care Estheticians it is so much more than the money. It is teaching and showing someone how and why their skin is like it is. It is matching professional grade products with the skin so that the skin can heal and improve the true nature of the skin. I come here to learn more about this field and to learn from Professionals that are working everyday in this field. Not to learn about MLMs. There is plenty on ASCP to teach us about how to market ourselves and our businesses. And yes we learn from each other as to what is working for them. However, we do not need MLMs here. I thought this place was for licensed or students (with verification from their schools). MLMs, their only purpose here is to recruit people. That is it. Thanks for reading this, it is only my own opinion here.
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Thanks Diane, I agree with much of what you say. We certainly want to keep skincareprofessionals.com useful for licensed professionals, it's just sometimes hard to tell who's who! :-)
In that regard, we greatly appreciate any assistance you all can provide in alerting us to any inappropriate or spammy discussion on the site. If you ever see anything in violation of the community guidelines please don't hesitate to contact me, or click the link to "Report an issue." I get all those notifications and try to respond as soon as I can; sometimes we just don't see this stuff, so again, I appreciate your help in bringing our attention to it!
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Permalink Reply by Mandy Neagles on
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I agree! I have had horrible probs with them... I don't know how they sleep at night going after people and telling the "stories" they do....
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Sheila as far as I know, every chemical or product produced that is marketed on a grand scale, has some kind of so called SCIENCE behind it. But does the sales ladies truly understand that SCIENCE and do they truly understand the true Science of the skin and how it all works? See that is the real difference and that is why we as professionals (will be in my case) has chosen to go to an approved Esthetician School and why we have a STATE REGULATED LICENCE to back us up. Also why we are REQUIRED to carry insurance. That is why we have to take CE classes to keep our licenses. I guess any Event will allow different kinds of vendors in, and there may be nothing we can do about that but complain. But we do know the difference between Professional and MLMs. I choose to be a Professional and I want to educate people on the difference between the two.
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Permalink Reply by Sheila Gordon on
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I think that it's great that you are on here Diane and still in school! I only graduated in Nov myself so I am a new esty...but I am over the MLM's. now I don't mind things like a jewelry part or a passion party bc hell they are fun for girls nights....but most of the time those people aren't as pushy or so I have found. They usually do it beacause they like having a little party and making a little money I guess but if I have a party like that, I always ask that they do not ask anyone to have a party or try to be like ooh you get this if you have a party. it's strictly fun...but those types of parties don't effect anyone...does that make sense? It's not like a non professional selling skin care, to me it's ludacris!! The NuSkin lady with the galvanic system was putting stuff on another woman's face, at the gym no less and using this galvanic machine that has a electrical current! UUMM did you ask her if she had a pace maker? HELL NO! If someone had that great of a product, they would sell it in a professional manner, not some money making scheme where the people that are at the top make all the bank.
Good luck to you Diane and welcome to this wonderful forum! You will learn such great information and everyone is super nice!! Keep us posted on where you end up going for work and keep up the good job ;)
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Permalink Reply by Ann Prendergast on
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Vent away!!! MLM's are THE reason I do not attend those kinds of women's workshops/business events :( I once heard a Mary Kay rep tell a potential client that their "microderm" product gave (and I quote) "the SAME results seen in a medical office" I held my tongue, but barely...Arbonne is HUGE around here and I am constantly asked for my opinion of them...
I will never begrudge a woman doing what she needs to in order to help support her family, put food on the table, etc...however in the skincare industry they are NOT estys, the are NOT skincare professionals...that is my leading response...
When I am approached by MLM's (oh my how they try to get me to sell...everything from DoTerra, to NuSkin to Noni juice ugh) my standard response to them is this: "My policy is not to engage in MLM's" they usually back off immediately.
annie
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I actually had an Arbonne rep tell me...well with Arbonne you can actually treat/cure hormonal acne. REALLY? You idiot? Really? HHMM see I thought you had to treat it internally and get the hormones under control to truly treat it. Sure a little peel or spot treatment can clear up a blemish but come on. She said she wouldn't be able to refer to me or help build my business because it competes with hers. OK LADY!!
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Woohoo this was a great post. Not that I wanted to stir up trouble but it's nice to have some that feel the same way. I find it crazy that any Estheticians would get involved in a MLM skin care company...but honestly I have to question that person. I am going to go out on a limb here and say they probably weren't very good at being an Esty OR they didn't have the passion about it and probably weren't very booked. Just an assumption but I would say I am spot on. I honestly do my job, as I am sure the rest of you do, because I LOVE what I do. Honestly if I didn't have bills, I would do this for free because I feel that it is one of the most rewarding jobs. Not just changing the skin or an appearance but you really change a persons soul and how awesome is that!! I love all of the responses and I truly appreciate the support!!!
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Permalink Reply by Denise Ivers on
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Hi Sheila
YES great post!!
I don't think that being a good esthy or not being busy has anything to do with why people are jumping on the bandwagon with MLM's.. I think that most are just trying to make a living. Nothing wrong with wanting to earn a living but there are too many reasons why selling a MLM product line is not a good idea for an esthy. We all know or should know that selling products is VERY VERY important to our bottom line but selling the right pro line is key. A residual income is very possible with a professional line not just a MLM line and you can make 100% profit, not 5,10 or 50% like the MLM's offer and that percentage will vary depending on your group sales. Been there, done that, YUK!! Never again.
If you have a slow service month as far as seeing less clients, you can always sell products and make up the difference. This is why many also lean towards private label. What I can't understand is how an esthy who sells a MLM approaches a customer...they are probably thinking constantly...."should I try to recruit this client or keep them as a product customer"? This is just wrong to me.. I would be pissed off if my esthy tried to get me to sell products or be part of her business line or downline.
I too, like you LOVE what I do and would do it for free!!!
Thanks again for this great post! I love the ones that bring out so much passion, raw conversation and potential for change in how our profession evolves!
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Permalink Reply by Jodi on
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I truly think Mary Kay should be required by law to stop using the term 'free facial' in their sales pitch for a party. It's misleading, and if people out there think that is a facial, it hurts us, the pros who give real professional facials. I wonder what we can do to stop MK from using that term?
Now I'm worried that people don't really know what a professional facial is all about. How far can I go in letting people know (say via Facebook) that Mary Kay uses the term erroneously without inviting a slander suit? I know people who use it, and I'd like them to know the truth, but don't want to get in trouble..
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